bending stereotypes

[Flyndaran]

Originally Posted by vicky_molokh

Brujah, by any chance?

I think the urbane regal vampire cliche has been so thoroughly mocked and subverted in recent years that it no longer qualifies as an entrenched assumed stereotype.
Myths change, and even though most ancient versions were peachy keen with sunlight, the modern sparklies of Twilight made people lose their freaking minds. So bending beloved stereotypes may rub some the wrong way.

[vicky_molokh]

Originally Posted by Flyndaran

I think the urbane regal vampire cliche has been so thoroughly mocked and subverted in recent years that it no longer qualifies as an entrenched assumed stereotype.
Myths change, and even though most ancient versions were peachy keen with sunlight, the modern sparklies of Twilight made people lose their freaking minds. So bending beloved stereotypes may rub some the wrong way.

Umm, people get mad about Twilight's treatment of sunlight not because it made vampires survive sunlight, but because it inspired a series of sparking sex toys, and now vampires can't fully fix the PR damage from that link.

[RyanW]

Originally Posted by vicky_molokh

Umm, people get mad about Twilight's treatment of sunlight not because it made vampires survive sunlight, but because it inspired a series of sparking sex toys, and now vampires can't fully fix the PR damage from that link.

My issue with it is, when vampires are the protagonist, sunlight is effectively their kryptonite. Taking that and other weaknesses away basically made them about as interesting as watching someone play a video game with god mode cheats on (which, as Freeman's Mind showed, can still be incredibly entertaining, but only with a creator more talented than Meyers).

[WaterAndWindSpirit]

The heterosexual no sex before marriage elf.

The bi-curious androgynous and sexually promiscuous dwarf.

Just switch the stereotypes, and watch what happens.

[jason taylor]

The fisherman who falls in love with a Selkie but doesn't try to abduct her. Every year when she goes to a family reunion she says, "I need to brush my sealskin" and he says, "It's in the closet, did you forget already?"

Fair Folk who live in amiable relations with humans. Abductions by either party are just practical jokes and the abductee is always returned at the end of the day well primed with drink. The King of the Fair Folk is well known at the local pub, and the village elder regularly visits the court of the king of the Fair Folk.

[jason taylor]

A college fraternity whose members drink moderately, behave in a gentlemanly manner, respect women and are kind to the poor. When they find out one of them was the murderer they are genuinely horrified and do not try to conceal him from the police.

[vicky_molokh]

Originally Posted by RyanW

My issue with it is, when vampires are the protagonist, sunlight is effectively their kryptonite. Taking that and other weaknesses away basically made them about as interesting as watching someone play a video game with god mode cheats on (which, as Freeman's Mind showed, can still be incredibly entertaining, but only with a creator more talented than Meyers).

But earlier vampire fiction lacks such 'kryptonite'. Most notably Dracula, who walks around by day. Or do you think the issue applies to pre-Nosferatu vampires too?

[Icelander]

Originally Posted by vicky_molokh

But earlier vampire fiction lacks such 'kryptonite'. Most notably Dracula, who walks around by day. Or do you think the issue applies to pre-Nosferatu vampires too?

Sunlight literally worked like kryptonite for Dracula, in that it affected his superhuman powers and made him weaker.

[vicky_molokh]

Originally Posted by Icelander

Sunlight literally worked like kryptonite for Dracula, in that it affected his superhuman powers and made him weaker.

IIRC Kryptonite didn't merely weaken Superman, but was actually slowly killing him. For a value of slowly that includes nearly collapsing immediately. Meanwhile, Dracula just casually strode around (and may or may not have used his mesmerizing powers - I'm fuzzy on the details by now).

[Flyndaran]

Originally Posted by Icelander

Sunlight literally worked like kryptonite for Dracula, in that it affected his superhuman powers and made him weaker.

He got killed by a knife. I don't think comparing anyone killed by a mundane knife to Superman really works.