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Old 02-02-2018, 01:10 AM   #1
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Default Why isn't the web clogged with rogue AIs?

So in 5th Wave it says that there are rogue AIs (Gypsy spirits) that take over whatever hardware they can break into. With computer stored information being what it is, moving it somewhere includes the discrete steps of first copying it and then deleting it from the original location. Why would rogue AIs bother with the second step? And it only takes a few not bothering for them to be multiplying exponentially, taking up all bandwidth copying themselves and all processing time fighting each other and whatever legitimate AIs remain for control of the available hardware.

So what rationales have people come up with to avoid this scenario?
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Old 02-02-2018, 11:27 AM   #2
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So what rationales have people come up with to avoid this scenario?
The same reason any self-replicating computer virus doesn't consume everything: they fail to gain access to systems, or they get cleaned out of systems. This is, incidentally, a reason a rogue AI might want to clean up after itself: become too prevalent and people start proactively cleaning you up.
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Old 02-02-2018, 11:46 AM   #3
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Avoiding the creation of rivals - a copy of an AI will have different experiences and will develop divergently from the original AI, and there's no guarantee that the copy will be loyal to, or have congruent goals with, the original.
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Old 02-02-2018, 09:24 PM   #4
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Reminds me of a "fact" on what a rabbit's greatest threat to reproducing is. Not the wolf or owl, but another more successful rabbit.
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Old 02-03-2018, 12:38 AM   #5
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The same reason any self-replicating computer virus doesn't consume everything: they fail to gain access to systems, or they get cleaned out of systems. This is, incidentally, a reason a rogue AI might want to clean up after itself: become too prevalent and people start proactively cleaning you up.
There is a big difference with non sapient malware though, it doesn't have any will to survive or reproduce in itself, it just follows a algorithm. It is also infinitely easier to defeat and shield against than an AI once it has been identified.

Another thought is that with the bot nets of today, even if security researchers identify individual bots it can be very hard to get people to actually clean up their computers. Imagine a rogue AI that is masquerading as the friendly house AI that has been with the family for years. I guess you could have some sort of "Turing Police" style agency running around and doing it forcefully.

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Avoiding the creation of rivals - a copy of an AI will have different experiences and will develop divergently from the original AI, and there's no guarantee that the copy will be loyal to, or have congruent goals with, the original.
This leads me to question whether a rogue AI would even be able to remove a previous installation once it has spread to a new system. It may not be keen to start disabling the previous until it has verified a successful copy and by then the old AI may not play ball.
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Old 02-03-2018, 01:01 AM   #6
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There is a big difference with non sapient malware though, it doesn't have any will to survive or reproduce in itself, it just follows a algorithm. It is also infinitely easier to defeat and shield against than an AI once it has been identified.
AIs are giant bloatware. They may be smarter, but they're also much more visible.
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Old 02-03-2018, 08:42 AM   #7
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There is a big difference with non sapient malware though, it doesn't have any will to survive or reproduce in itself, it just follows a algorithm. It is also infinitely easier to defeat and shield against than an AI once it has been identified.

Another thought is that with the bot nets of today, even if security researchers identify individual bots it can be very hard to get people to actually clean up their computers. Imagine a rogue AI that is masquerading as the friendly house AI that has been with the family for years. I guess you could have some sort of "Turing Police" style agency running around and doing it forcefully.
This is where there are xoxhunters and popular entertainment series that glamorize them. Both of those are canon.

On the other hand, maybe xoxes aren't a big problem and there's a moral panic going on about them?
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