Vengeful and bears grudges

[Railstar]

Normally with Bad Temper, Selfish, or similar disadvantages, I expect there to be an immediate reaction to the problem - insult, attack, or otherwise act against the cause of the stress. In the case of Selfish, it describes it as "lashing out" for -3 reactions and putting them in an awkward social situation?

What about the person who bears grudges?

So they do attack, insult or otherwise act against the cause of the stress, but can do so subtly. Maybe they place a curse on them later, maybe they have a high spell skill with Poison Food and hexes the target's meal quietly when nobody is paying attention, maybe they actively try to charm the person to lead them into danger. Maybe they plan some kind of revenge to take place at a later date.

So the Selfish person is status-conscious, and reacts harshly to snubs, but is careful to avoid the awkward social situation that would undermine the status they care about so much.

Is that acceptable for "act against the cause of the stress" for an otherwise subtle character? Would it require a modifier?

What are your thoughts?

[Phantasm]

I tend to place "Holds Grudges" as a Quirk. Of course, how the person holding the grudge acts can edge into OPH territory.

From my Quirks document:

Holds Grudges
You can't just let things go and let bygones be bygones. If someone pisses you off, you let them know it, even after they've apologized for the hundredth time! Every social encounter with someone who has done you wrong will result in you snubbing them, often with them wondering what they've done to tick you off this time (when in reality, you're still ticked about the first time)!

[Anaraxes]

Originally Posted by Phantasm

how the person holding the grudge acts can edge into OPH territory.

Or Obsession. For some characters, it might be closer to Vow (Revenge), and some cultures might impose a Duty.

It's less important to give it the right book name than it is to understand what the effects are supposed to be on the character. The flavor makes a difference is all those choices. You might call it "Holds a Grudge" at whatever point value. But there's a whole scale there from "dislikes and would do an ill turn if the chance arises" to "I’ll chase him round Good Hope, and round the Horn, and round the Norway Maelstrom, and round perdition’s flames before I give him up."

[David Johnston2]

Originally Posted by Railstar

Normally with Bad Temper, Selfish, or similar disadvantages, I expect there to be an immediate reaction to the problem - insult, attack, or otherwise act against the cause of the stress. In the case of Selfish, it describes it as "lashing out" for -3 reactions and putting them in an awkward social situation?

What about the person who bears grudges?

So they do attack, insult or otherwise act against the cause of the stress, but can do so subtly. Maybe they place a curse on them later, maybe they have a high spell skill with Poison Food and hexes the target's meal quietly when nobody is paying attention, maybe they actively try to charm the person to lead them into danger. Maybe they plan some kind of revenge to take place at a later date.

So the Selfish person is status-conscious, and reacts harshly to snubs, but is careful to avoid the awkward social situation that would undermine the status they care about so much.

Is that acceptable for "act against the cause of the stress" for an otherwise subtle character? Would it require a modifier?

What are your thoughts?

For the seriously vengeful person go with the old standard "Obsession: Revenge". A selfish person who has been disrespected must make a self control roll or immediately say or do something hostile although it could just be saying something snide while keeping a smile on their face.

[evileeyore]

I always just treated it as a different flavor of Stubborn. The Character just refuses to give up their position, that of 'I will get back at this person' and then let other disads flavor how severely they need to get back at them.

[Railstar]

Originally Posted by Anaraxes

Or Obsession. For some characters, it might be closer to Vow (Revenge), and some cultures might impose a Duty.

It's less important to give it the right book name than it is to understand what the effects are supposed to be on the character. The flavor makes a difference is all those choices. You might call it "Holds a Grudge" at whatever point value. But there's a whole scale there from "dislikes and would do an ill turn if the chance arises" to "I’ll chase him round Good Hope, and round the Horn, and round the Norway Maelstrom, and round perdition’s flames before I give him up."

I definitely like the idea of Obsession for some forms of that mentality.

Originally Posted by David Johnston2

For the seriously vengeful person go with the old standard "Obsession: Revenge". A selfish person who has been disrespected must make a self control roll or immediately say or do something hostile although it could just be saying something snide while keeping a smile on their face.

That gives me something to work with. The selfish person must immediately begin attempting to retaliate - if they can retaliate in a subtle fashion that is probably more to do with skill than with the disadvantage, but as long as they immediately begin to do something towards undermining or hurting the other party I can treat that as counting.

[fredtheobviouspseudonym]

For models, see Nixon and Johnson.

A grudge can easily evolve into an obsession.

[jason taylor]

I agree. It's either Vow or Obsession.

[Phantasm]

Yeah, I misspoke in my previous post; should have said Obsession rather than OPH.

It all depends on whether it's just a resentful "oh, you again; you're beneath me and can't do anything right" social snubbing or a "Captain Ahab has to chase his whale!" type that'll result in nearly everyone around you getting killed for the sake of your need for vengeance.