06-05-2016, 09:42 PM | #1 |
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Forehead Cuts
One of the things that boxers and other fighters worry about is a cut above the eyes, since the bleeding can interfere with vision. I can't find any way for this to happen in the Basic Set or Martial Arts, but may have missed something. Is there already a rule that makes this situation possible? If not, what sort of ruling would you make around it, if you were interested in harshly realistic combat?
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06-06-2016, 12:06 AM | #2 |
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Re: Forehead Cuts
You could rule that a blow to the head that causes a stun can temporarily blind one eye instead.
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06-06-2016, 04:33 AM | #3 |
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Re: Forehead Cuts
This could be the explanation for a temporary crippling eye injury.
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06-06-2016, 06:42 AM | #4 | |
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Location: Vermont
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Re: Forehead Cuts
An interesting idea. I like it. Not least because I'm a bare-fisted boxing aficionado.
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I'm not sure how to handle it without adding a bunch of unnecessary HT rolls and book-keeping. Perhaps it's just a justification for shock and injury penalties.
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06-06-2016, 06:55 AM | #5 | ||
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Re: Forehead Cuts
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Since the vast majority of punches are crushing damage, they won't be targeting the eye directly anyway. Quote:
You could run something like the the partial injures rules, 2HT x Seconds is probably long enough for blood to start getting into the eyes. Well unless it a lot of blood from a big wound at which point I think the game effects of the wound itself are likely to cover all this (we did thread on this recently, I suggest running the bleeding rules for attacks that don't penetrate the skull) Head / skull doesn't actually have any partial injuries rules, which is a bit odd, I guess it less likely to come up but still? Last edited by Tomsdad; 06-06-2016 at 08:16 AM. |
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06-06-2016, 08:01 AM | #6 |
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Re: Forehead Cuts
To make forehead cuts meaningful in a boxing match, you'd have to revamp GURPS damage, honestly. For punches, you're talking a pretty low-probability event, so by the time one is likely to happen, the target is almost certainly unconscious - if not dead - from all those Skull hits. They're more likely with actual crushing weapons, as well as cutting, piercing, and impaling. Offhand, I'd say such a cut would happen something like 1/6 (1 on 1d) of the time from a crushing weapon, 1/3 (1 or 2 on 1d) of the time from a cutting/piercing/impaling weapon, in either case requiring a hit to the Skull from the front that does at least 1 point of damage. This is if the character isn't wearing head armor - if so, you'd might as well ignore it (even if a sharp penetrates the armor, the padding will probably soak up the blood well enough it won't become an issue unless the fight goes on for a long time). I'd say you've got about 1d seconds before the blood reaches your eye, giving you One Eye. Wiping blood from your forehead resets this time; it gives a -1 to most actions (-2 for actions with the wiping hand, which corresponds to a -1 to defend with that hand) on the same round you wiped it away. Once the blood's in your eye, you need a cloth of some sort, then can opt for a Do Nothing to wipe the blood out, but it will come back in 1d seconds, as usual. The wiping hand is unusable and you're at -1 to all defenses until your next turn. You can try to use an uncovered hand (or one covered with soft leather), but this requires a roll against HT to actually clear the eye.
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06-06-2016, 11:14 AM | #7 | ||
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Location: Vermont
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Re: Forehead Cuts
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Crushing attacks to the eye: 2 points to cripple the eye (with temporary crippling representing an eye swollen shut.) Any damage beyond that is applied to Face (rather than the brain as in impaling attacks). Quote:
I like the idea that 1 in 6 of crushing attacks to the skull cause bleeding that could leak into the eyes. *You can't punch someone's head hard enough to give them a concussion without seriously hurting your hand. The majority of bare-knuckle boxing knockouts (from the London Prize-fight days) were from body blows (solar plexus).
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06-06-2016, 11:19 AM | #8 |
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Re: Forehead Cuts
There's the Eye Rake maneuver in MA. 72. I'd probably make it one of the entries on the Critical Head Hits table.
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06-06-2016, 12:14 PM | #9 | |||
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Re: Forehead Cuts
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Punching eyes are kind of limited in effect because a lot of the eye is behind the orbit. So most eye attacks are gouges and rakes (so Pi) i.e. you have to get you fingers/thumb in there*. So personally I think pretty much all locations are variable targets for pretty much all Pi, Imp, Cr, Cut & Imp. But would likely recognise some practical differences. For example I like the way MA allows Cr attack to target Vitals. Quote:
There' also a pretty clear game balance effect at work a times, thr although lower damage than sw get's a reward for being more often able to target the vitals**. But realistically you can target some of the things that GURPS calls vital organs with cutting attacks. Quote:
*which get into the question of when is a blunt attack crushing and when is it piecing, when it's small? etc, etc **see also various tropes regarding fighting styles and types of weapons Last edited by Tomsdad; 06-06-2016 at 11:39 PM. |
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06-06-2016, 12:56 PM | #10 | ||
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Re: Forehead Cuts
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Of course, the probabilities for bleeding into the eyes are something I basically just came up with out of thin air. I've no clue how realistic they actually are. |
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