01-20-2013, 08:24 PM | #31 |
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Was he really evil? He seemed more mentally ill / destroyed by the ring and lacked any sense of right and wrong. One can be dangerous without being evil.
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01-21-2013, 11:25 AM | #32 | |
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At best, one could make the case that by the time of LotR he had begun to repent. |
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01-21-2013, 11:41 AM | #33 |
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If I remember correctly before Smeagol even saw the ring he was a unpleasent person who care much about anyone other than his best friend and Grandmother, his first act after seeing it was to strangle his bestfriend then take it, he then used it to steal and make lots of mishchef until his community exiled him.
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01-21-2013, 11:59 AM | #34 |
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It's the one ring. It turns everyone "evil" given enough time. Normal people would have no chance to resist it for even moments. Unless there was much more given in the books than movies, which I imagine there was. If Smeagol really was evil, then wouldn't his brother have been prepared for sudden murderous actions?
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01-21-2013, 05:12 PM | #37 |
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That makes my point then. That it was the overpowering control of the ring that made him do it not any innate act of inherent evil. One can't be evil if there is no ability to choose.
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And secondly I reject the whole definitional premise. The orcs were not somehow not evil just because they were hardwired to be a dark lord's goons. |
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01-21-2013, 06:39 PM | #39 | |
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To use an example of someone else affected by a single glimpse, we can cite Boromir. He saw it briefly in Rivendell, and eventually tried to take it from Frodo by force...months afterward, and after dwelling and obsessing on it throughout that time. It had his genuine fear for Gondor's safety to work on, along with his own outsized ego and pride and conceit, and yet it still took months before Boromir gave in to the temptation, and even then he wasn't consciously planning murder, just theft. Meriadoc likewise caught a glimpse of the Ring at one point...and was scarecly affected at all. A lot depends on what's already present in the soul of the victim/offender. |
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Evil requires choice, otherwise you're calling attacking wild animals, the violent mentally ill, and tornadoes evil. That good intentioned road leads somewhere unpleasant.
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