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Old 09-11-2010, 11:35 AM   #11
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They give off a lot of smoke compared to a modern firearm, but the smoke from a single person firing a pistol (or even a musket) once every 30 seconds or so probably isn't going to be enough to obscure even a single square.
We had a guy with a gun in one of the PBP games. He really hosed his character getting a weapon which took too long to use and didn't destroy what it hit when it did hit.

From that experience, guns aren't that important to the story unless you bring in lots of them or allow repeating varieties. At DF tech levels you can't justify much better gunnes than the ones historically seen in the 12th century. And those come with so many inherent restrictions on them they aren't all that playable.

An enemy wizard knows Ignite Fire and Throw Spell and kknows how gunpower operates. Your powder horn ignites from his thrown ignite fire. You go boom. Even if you don't die, you'r precious powder supply is gone and you are effectively out of the gunslinging business.

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Old 09-11-2010, 11:45 AM   #12
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The advantage of Ignite Fire and Thrown Spell here is you do not have to HIT a target. The point of casting the spell, for range purposes starts where the thrown spell hits. If you hit a couple of yards away, you're a couple of points penalized on the Ignite Fire spell. If skill 16 a -3 range is 13-. No resistance issues here if the powder holder is flammable, just pay the proper Fatigue to be able to ignite it..

Fire proof horn? Yawn. Ok -5 to target the spell on the powder inside the horn because I can't see the powder itself through the horn. For that maybe hitting the horn with the THrow Spell becomes important. The energy cost to ignite gunpowder shouldn't be an issue at skilll 15+.
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Old 09-11-2010, 11:50 AM   #13
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The workaround is, of course, to make the black powder magical black powder. Magical black powder is impervious to magically created fires. While I haven't looked through GURPS books to find the rule for doing it, this is GURPS, so I'm sure there is a way.
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The workaround is, of course, to make the black powder magical black powder. Magical black powder is impervious to magically created fires. While I haven't looked through GURPS books to find the rule for doing it, this is GURPS, so I'm sure there is a way.
New spell. Existing anti-incindiary magic works on FIRES in general and it is something llike essential fire that might ignore a protection (ie Devitalized Air won't affect Essential Flame). You'd have to invent something that would stop magic but not mundane ignition.

I'd suggest for cost considerations an alchemical concoction that you pour into the powder and dry in the manufacturing process. A spell has a duration probloem and enchantment could put the cost of a shot higher than the ball could reach.
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Old 09-11-2010, 01:13 PM   #15
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Old 09-11-2010, 01:22 PM   #16
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New spell. Existing anti-incindiary magic works on FIRES in general and it is something llike essential fire that might ignore a protection (ie Devitalized Air won't affect Essential Flame). You'd have to invent something that would stop magic but not mundane ignition.
How about a horn devitalizing its interior continuously?
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Old 09-11-2010, 01:28 PM   #17
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Is DF TL3 or 4? Would a Arquesiuer/Musketeer/Grenadier/Pirate Template need Hight TL? Such a Template could be built around Gunslinger and use a lot of the options in Gun Fu.
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Is DF TL3 or 4? Would a Arquesiuer/Musketeer/Grenadier/Pirate Template need Hight TL? Such a Template could be built around Gunslinger and use a lot of the options in Gun Fu.
That's a good question. I think DF work better as TL4, because a) they have things like Rapiers, and b) it works better for Artificers who can use clockwork engines (TL4 canonically, I think). But I think the best description is that DF is TL DF. You can always have TL4 without gunpowder, of course.
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Old 09-11-2010, 01:50 PM   #19
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DF is somewhere between TL3 and TL4 - some TL4 weapons and armor are available.

The problem with a swashbuckler/pirate template is that TL4 guns are underwhelming. The .51 caliber flintlock pistol weighs 3 lbs and does 2d-1 Pi+ damage, compared to a ST13 Pistol Crossbow (ST11 user, Crossbow at DX+2, and Crossbow Finesse does 1d+2 Im damage) which has a better rate of fire at only 4 lbs. The Flintlock musket at 4d Pi++ is better than any reasonable crossbow, but you can carry two crossbows for the weight of 1 musket and fire more versatile ammo. I don't think a flintlock sharpshooter who fires a 4d++ shot at Acc 2 every 10 or 20 seconds is going to be viable against the Scout.

You really need TL5 revolvers to practically match the Scout as a ranged combatant. Using the .36 revolver to spray 6 shots, and then reload for 18 seconds, creates a combatant with a lower overall rate of fire than a Scout, but equivalent or slightly better "burst" capability, especially in ambush situations.
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Old 09-11-2010, 01:59 PM   #20
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Since the Wildman racial template has a TL -3 penalty, we can infer that DF is TL 3 by default, though fencing weapons are given a pass.
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