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Old 09-01-2017, 05:28 PM   #1
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Do either striking or lifting ST count towards the ST requirement for weapons?
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Old 09-01-2017, 05:37 PM   #2
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Striking ST counts for melee weapons: http://forums.sjgames.com/showpost.p...81&postcount=6
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Old 09-01-2017, 05:38 PM   #3
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What about ranged weapons?
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Old 09-01-2017, 05:41 PM   #4
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What about ranged weapons?
That quote addresses ranged weapons ('big mortar') as well.
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Old 09-02-2017, 02:10 AM   #5
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Okay, I've had a chance to go over this with Kromm in detail. Here's the ruling. I'll even cast Summon Molokh for it:

When weapons have a minimum ST requirement, can I add Arm ST, Lifting ST, and/or Striking ST to my ST for this purpose?

Arm ST always helps if it applies to all arms necessary to use the weapon. It's rather useful! If you have a two-handed weapon, however, and only one arm has the Arm ST, it doesn't help at all; always use the "weakest link."

Lifting ST helps with non-muscle-powered weapons, like firearms. The ST requirement for these weapons is primarily due to their mass, and Lifting ST helps with that. Their standard operation requires you to hold them steady, not to swing or a stab with them dynamically. (With some weapons, like heavy-recoil slugthrowers, Striking ST could be argued to help, but this kickback is still less of an issue than the weapon's mass -- thus, always use Lifting ST.)

Striking ST helps with muscle-powered weapons, from swords to thrown daggers to bows. The ST requirement for these weapons is primarily due to the need to use them dynamically -- you have to be able to swing, thrust, or pull with great force, which is what Striking ST is all about. (To some degree, Lifting ST could be argued to help, as it allows you to more easily support the weapon, but that's less of an issue than the need to attack with the weapon -- thus, always use Striking ST.)

So note that you can combine ST, Arm ST, and one of Lifting ST or Striking ST for the purpose of meeting a weapon's minimum ST requirement -- but you'll never combine Lifting ST and Striking ST.
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Old 09-02-2017, 06:12 PM   #6
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Default Re: striking/lifting ST and weapons

Side question; Since Striking ST is used for melee weapons, can I use weapons I can't lift? A player of mine saw this in some anime, where the protagonist had a weapon (sword?) that was too heavy to carry but she flung around in combat easily. I was thinking the best way to simulate this is to have extreme levels of Striking ST with human levels of ST, to the point that the weapon can't be picked up unless you are attacking with it.
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Old 09-02-2017, 06:53 PM   #7
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Side question; Since Striking ST is used for melee weapons, can I use weapons I can't lift? A player of mine saw this in some anime, where the protagonist had a weapon (sword?) that was too heavy to carry but she flung around in combat easily. I was thinking the best way to simulate this is to have extreme levels of Striking ST with human levels of ST, to the point that the weapon can't be picked up unless you are attacking with it.
I'd say partially no. If you can't lift it off the ground (or a table or whereever), you can't wield it. But note that a normal person has BL 20, and can lift up to 2xBL with one hand. That means a person with normal ST can use a forty-pound weapon one-handed! Of course it takes 2 seconds to raise the weapon, but still, that lets you do some pretty extreme stuff, if you have the Striking ST to wield it as a weapon.

That's purely in terms of game mechanics, though. I tend to conceptualize Lifting ST as being about slow contraction against a load, and Striking ST as being above fast contraction with minimal load. If you take two seconds to raise that forty-pound mace, we're not talking about fast contraction! What I think Striking ST really does is let you swing that weapon really fast, so it hits with a high kinetic energy.

Perhaps a compromise might be to say you can do that stunt if you have a Perk: Massive Weapons (if that name hasn't already been used).
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Old 09-02-2017, 07:09 PM   #8
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I would say it depends on the type of game. If I was running a fairly realistic game, then the answer would be no. If it was a supers or anime inspired game, then the answer would be of definitely.
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Old 09-02-2017, 08:01 PM   #9
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I would say it depends on the type of game. If I was running a fairly realistic game, then the answer would be no. If it was a supers or anime inspired game, then the answer would be of definitely.
A fairly realistic game wouldn't allow a character to have so much Striking Strength above Lifting.
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Old 09-02-2017, 10:48 PM   #10
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Bows in Basic follow similar rules to melee weapons, so you use Striking Strength. But the famous Deadly Spring article suggests a more realistic Lifting Strength.
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