07-10-2009, 02:07 PM | #11 |
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Re: Horizontal Question
Buying Claws or Hooves automatically removes this.
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07-10-2009, 09:51 PM | #13 | |
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How is merely taking up double hexes a disadvantage at all, let alone -10 points, if you have no limbs at all? That makes no sense! Aargghh! |
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07-11-2009, 05:13 PM | #14 | ||
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07-11-2009, 06:27 PM | #15 | ||
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I wish I was missing something that would explain this, but unless my book has a typo, that's the whole entry. And aside from the limitations to how you can use your limbs, there just can't be anything disadvantageous about Horizontal. I cannot imagine any way in which taking up twice as many hexes is a disadvantage by itself. In fact, in RAW, a "centauroid" gets no disadvantages at all. Taking up more hexes isn't even mentioned under Meta Traits, let alone given a negative point value. "Centauroids" just get Extra Legs, maybe with Hooves, and that's it. If they want a larger Size Modifier for being long plus tall, it's a 0-point feature. I can certainly agree with you that I'm confused, though. :? Last edited by Vaevictis Asmadi; 07-11-2009 at 06:55 PM. |
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07-12-2009, 08:43 PM | #16 | |
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07-13-2009, 09:16 AM | #17 | |
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I've always just assumed horizontal was more about posture, meaning that you have to keep a sufficient number of limbs on the ground (i.e. more than two). If you've got extra then you've paid for them and can then reasonably overcome that element of the disad, right? BTW, I think I've noticed that the animals and such don't always follow the rules under ads/disads. Don't have any specific examples on me but I was trying to find animals to modify into other similar ones and kept running into examples. M |
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07-13-2009, 10:14 AM | #18 | |
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On the other hand, there are several other ways of having extra rear hexes which don't give you points back and you can take horizontal along with advantages which let you defend normally against attacks from the rear. |
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07-13-2009, 12:04 PM | #19 |
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Re: Horizontal Question
That is starting to make sense... But if it is a big deal, why doesn't the hex problem affect centauroids or aquatic animals? And why aren't there Limitations for "Doesn't Affect Arms" and "No Fine Manipulators"?
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07-14-2009, 01:19 AM | #20 | |
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I don't know if it's different in 4e, "Inconvenient Size" is -10/-15 in 3e, and being a two hex creature in a place designed for humans would be difficult. Centauroid beings can carry stuff without a Move penalty, and even use the item, unlike true Horizontal beings. *thinks* Elephants: Centauroid, Extra Legs, One Hand/One Fine Manipulator? |
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