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11-13-2010, 12:11 PM | #22 |
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Re: AH Gurps setting WW1 stilling going in 1964
I think you over state the effect of the german u boat offensive of WW1. Yes it came close to bringing the uk to its knees but the introduction of the convoy system by the british effectively removed that as a possibility.
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11-13-2010, 12:21 PM | #23 |
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I think Apache was referring to a specific U-boat attack, Lusitania.
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Re: AH Gurps setting WW1 stilling going in 1964
Go read 'The Zimmerman Telegram' by Barbara Tuchman. I overstate nothing.
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What about: The war ends with an armistice. The peace of Geneva settles terms favorable to the Central Powers, who had the upper hand in the end. Germany doesn't get everything that it wanted by any means, but she does get the 'Central European Customs Union.' All of Ireland is freed from British rule and united under the Republican allies of the Kaiser. No IRA terrorism, no Troubles, none of that. The trade alliance expands over time, and states cooperate on security matters when confronted with the Bolshevik menace. In time, Germany comes to dominate the 'European Union.' The Ottomans manage to hold onto large parts of their Near Eastern empire, at least for a few decades more. No mandate and no League of Nations. No Nazis. No Holocaust. Millions of lives saved. WW2 begins when Stalin invades the Polish provinces in 1939. Within four years, German and allied European troops have liberated the lands under the heel of the Soviets. The civilized world is horrified to learn the full tale of the Bolshevik atrocities and war crimes. Stalin and most of the Politburo are captured and placed on trial for genocide and other crimes against humanity. They are hanged in Nuremburg in 1945. Israel is never created. Palestine remains under Ottoman rule. Muslims, Christians, and Jews all enjoy full and equal civil and religious liberties. No Israel. No Korean War. No Vietnam. No Soviet-Afghan War. No Al Qaeda. No 9-11. There are wars, but these are mostly colonial rebellions, not sweeping global conflicts. America, having avoided both world wars and the Cold War (which never even happens), is in a much better position than in OTL. Her national debt is small, and she remains a creditor nation. The federal govt is much smaller than in OTL, and interferes far less in the lives of the people. Men don't reach the Moon until 1989, though. Last edited by combatmedic; 11-14-2010 at 12:36 PM. |
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11-13-2010, 07:57 PM | #27 |
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LOL um no.
Chinese Communism is Independent (even hostile to) Soviet communism. You Forget Japan's little empire building which was the key to Red China and the Korean War. |
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You also forget America's WW2 role in East and Southeast Asia. LOL yourself, buddy. :0 Last edited by combatmedic; 11-13-2010 at 08:52 PM. |
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11-13-2010, 09:19 PM | #29 | |
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That didn;t change the condition for Red China Revolution after the war, and I don't see the change being made have any significant changes here. |
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The Red Chinese and the Russians remained freindly in the crucial early years, but later they fell out. Same thing with Albania after Stalin dies- Hoxha didn't trust the new leadership. You must also be unaware of how and why the US became involved in Indochina. With no Soviet Union and no Maoist China, or Mao only as a big bandit leader, the 'domino theory' is out the window. No Cold War. Why would Americans care which nationalists kicked a bunch of Frenchies out of Vietnam, so long as we could sell stuff to the winners? |
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