11-25-2011, 06:46 AM | #21 | |
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The stats for it suck so hard that I doubt anyone would want to use it. This makes me a little sad for the Byzantines and a few Eastern people who did use it even into the High Middle Ages, but I don't know how to fix it.
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11-25-2011, 07:29 AM | #22 | |
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There might be materials situations where scale is "less worse" than mail - in that you might have iron you can't draw wire out of efficiently, and you can't make serious plates out of (for segmented etc plate), but you can hammer out half-serviceable scales out of. I'm thinking having a lot of problem with slag inclusions due to low quality iron - but I'm not sure under what scenario you'd just go ahead and make bad quality scale with it rather than continuing to refine the iron into something serviceable. I suppose if it's a "We have nothing better to work with and we need armour ASAP... but scale just isn't fast to make under any circumstances. :/
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11-25-2011, 07:51 AM | #24 |
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Primitive fantasy humanoids trying to re-purpose ill-fitting plate armor? Scale-ify All The Things!
This would assume a different head shape, size, horns etc., or else helmets would be the least likely candidates for extensive rework, as compared to tailored torso and limb armor, I'd guess. Or, well, non-metal scale, of course. If you've got some really hard scales from a creature, and that's still easier to get (and/or better) than proper metal. Scale could have a cultural significance, too. Priests/warriors of the dragon god etc. |
11-25-2011, 07:55 AM | #25 | |
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I've heard an argument that scale was popular due to heat problems, but as it's usually attached to some sort of quite solid and warm backing material, I think that's a bunch of nonsense.
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11-25-2011, 08:27 AM | #27 |
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11-25-2011, 10:53 AM | #28 |
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11-25-2011, 11:13 AM | #29 |
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Heavy scale and lamellar were worn by the eastern Romans because they offered rigid protection against the maces of their enemies. And layered lamellar and mail would only be found on the heaviest of cavalry due to it's weight and expense. But in that particular theater, the heavy all iron mace was quite popular, alongside picks and warhammers(for the Persians and turks).
I'm not really sure if there's much Eastern Roman armor that is considered "Scale", rather than lamellar.
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11-25-2011, 12:59 PM | #30 | |
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I really do think that mail over mail ought to be less effective than GURPS suggests. It was rare in reality, presumably for a reason. Same stats in GURPS. Which I'm not sure is right. I think that late TL3 Byzantine lamellar ought to be lighter for the protection it grants than Bronze Age scale.
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