Walls, walls, and more walls. :)

JimTullis · 01-05-2021, 09:22 PM

Reviewing the KS updates has me wondering about the sizes of stuff again. Specifically some of the cardboard tokens.

The core game has Wreck Tokens, Barrier Tokens and Barrel Tokens.

Road Tiles has a "Pop Up Camera Bollard" hazard, but it doesn't seem to have a cardboard token.

The Crew Pack has what appear to be Barrier Tokens and Barrel Tokens. And of course Crew Tokens.

The Dropped Weapons Pack has what appear to be Wall Tokens and some Cloud Tokens (smoke/paint probably).

And while I haven't seen the inside, the Uncle Albert's Upgrade Pack box is similar to the Crew Box and Dropped Weapons box, unlike the Armory and Linked Weapons packs which are simply tuck boxes. This seems to imply that Uncle Albert’s may have some cardboard tokens.

So my current questions are...
Are the Crew Tokens and Barrel Tokens the same size.
Are all of the Wall/Barrier/Cloud tokens the same size.
(Both of which would make sense for ease of tooling and simplified game play)
And
What size are the Wall/Barrier/Cloud tokens so I can think about how they will fit in with other items for storage/transport.

I'm also concerned about the size of the Dashboards. I don't think any of the Plano cases (except the ones with no dividers) have a space large enough to accommodate the dashboards.

I might consider 3d printing a Plano Style token storage tray in order to get the best use of space and sorting.

Magesmiley · 01-15-2021, 10:06 AM

If there isn't a cardboard token, my assumption would be that they are probably printed on one of the cards.

As far as storage, nothing prevents you from cutting down the inner dividers (I've done it on some of mine in the past for other games).

Myself, I probably will be using the Sabol Army Transport bags once again. Pluck foam is great for making exactly the shape you need.

Which leads to another notion - combine some plastic containers with pluck foam (which you can get in big sheets from various sources).

JimTullis · 01-15-2021, 01:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Magesmiley

As far as storage, nothing prevents you from cutting down the inner dividers (I've done it on some of mine in the past for other games.

I've done some Plano Surgery in the past.
Probably will with Car Wars as well.
But finding the right starting tray helps tremendously.
That's why I would like to know the sizes of stuff.

Space is sometimes at a premium when I travel.
Pluck foam looks great, and can be really useful for odd shapes and fragile items. "I'm looking at you, Khador Conquest."

But I've found that I can get much more stuff in padded plano trays since they don't have the thick walls between and below units. I've also had trouble with some of the pluck foam trays not being rigid enough and they would sag when I lifted them. (Granted that was a fully metal Hamelin team in Malifaux ; ) )

43Supporter · 01-15-2021, 05:14 PM

I used to use cardboard -- it was esp. useful in that, if some cretin smashed all my stuff, I was out maybe $5. :)

Magesmiley · 01-24-2021, 07:23 PM

You might consider using some of the plastic shoeboxes you can get from Costoco in a multipack. Glue some foam (such as pluck foam) inside and you have a pretty inexpensive solid container with foam inside to protect everything.

Also, FWIW, I'm liable to use 3D wall pieces for my games. Specifically stuff made using the Hirst Arts Castle Molds and number of bags of dental plaster (you can get it in grey even). There's also a very good chance my next (3rd!) battlefield will be built using them.

There are a number of molds that are suitable - particularly in their sci-fi and factory stuff, though it probably wouldn't hurt to rally the folks here to request some more post-apocalyptic specific molds suitable for Car Wars scenery. My one request probably won't get too much traction, but 3 or 4 requests might.

On the battlefield, I suspect that it doesn't matter too much what the size is as much as it matters that the boundaries are clearly delineated.

You might want to think about storage if you're going to do some 3D stuff too. 3D walls and jersey barriers will most definitely look cooler than cards and counters and are a relatively simple upgrade to do.

JimTullis · 01-25-2021, 01:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Magesmiley

On the battlefield, I suspect that it doesn't matter too much what the size is as much as it matters that the boundaries are clearly delineated.

You might want to think about storage if you're going to do some 3D stuff too. 3D walls and jersey barriers will most definitely look cooler than cards and counters and are a relatively simple upgrade to do.

I'm only really interested in the sizes of the cardstock walls so I can transport them for tournament use.

For my own boards I'm planning on using the Intermodal Cargo Containers from Ironheart Artisans. They have the best 1/64 scale containers. 95% of the rest out there are for 28mm.

I also want to use realistic Jersey Barriers, but again they're hard to find in 1/64. Lots in H0 and 28mm, just not 1/64. I would give $25 for a good quality rubber mold that made about 10 1/64 Jersey Barriers at a time. Then I could do the dental plaster to make a bunch.

01-05-2021, 09:22 PM	#1
JimTullis Join Date: Feb 2013	Walls, walls, and more walls. :) Reviewing the KS updates has me wondering about the sizes of stuff again. Specifically some of the cardboard tokens. The core game has Wreck Tokens, Barrier Tokens and Barrel Tokens. Road Tiles has a "Pop Up Camera Bollard" hazard, but it doesn't seem to have a cardboard token. The Crew Pack has what appear to be Barrier Tokens and Barrel Tokens. And of course Crew Tokens. The Dropped Weapons Pack has what appear to be Wall Tokens and some Cloud Tokens (smoke/paint probably). And while I haven't seen the inside, the Uncle Albert's Upgrade Pack box is similar to the Crew Box and Dropped Weapons box, unlike the Armory and Linked Weapons packs which are simply tuck boxes. This seems to imply that Uncle Albert’s may have some cardboard tokens. So my current questions are... Are the Crew Tokens and Barrel Tokens the same size. Are all of the Wall/Barrier/Cloud tokens the same size. (Both of which would make sense for ease of tooling and simplified game play) And What size are the Wall/Barrier/Cloud tokens so I can think about how they will fit in with other items for storage/transport. I'm also concerned about the size of the Dashboards. I don't think any of the Plano cases (except the ones with no dividers) have a space large enough to accommodate the dashboards. I might consider 3d printing a Plano Style token storage tray in order to get the best use of space and sorting.

01-15-2021, 10:06 AM	#2
Magesmiley Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Snohomish, WA	Re: Walls, walls, and more walls. :) If there isn't a cardboard token, my assumption would be that they are probably printed on one of the cards. As far as storage, nothing prevents you from cutting down the inner dividers (I've done it on some of mine in the past for other games). Myself, I probably will be using the Sabol Army Transport bags once again. Pluck foam is great for making exactly the shape you need. Which leads to another notion - combine some plastic containers with pluck foam (which you can get in big sheets from various sources). __________________ Dynamax Designs, Designing quality since 2035. Watch your handling and remember to Drive Offensively!

01-15-2021, 05:14 PM	#4
43Supporter Join Date: Dec 2007	Re: Walls, walls, and more walls. :) I used to use cardboard -- it was esp. useful in that, if some cretin smashed all my stuff, I was out maybe $5. :) __________________ "Dale who?" 79er The Jeremy Clarkson Debate Course: 1) I'm Right. 2) You're Wrong. 3) The End.

01-24-2021, 07:23 PM	#5
Magesmiley Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Snohomish, WA	Re: Walls, walls, and more walls. :) You might consider using some of the plastic shoeboxes you can get from Costoco in a multipack. Glue some foam (such as pluck foam) inside and you have a pretty inexpensive solid container with foam inside to protect everything. Also, FWIW, I'm liable to use 3D wall pieces for my games. Specifically stuff made using the Hirst Arts Castle Molds and number of bags of dental plaster (you can get it in grey even). There's also a very good chance my next (3rd!) battlefield will be built using them. There are a number of molds that are suitable - particularly in their sci-fi and factory stuff, though it probably wouldn't hurt to rally the folks here to request some more post-apocalyptic specific molds suitable for Car Wars scenery. My one request probably won't get too much traction, but 3 or 4 requests might. On the battlefield, I suspect that it doesn't matter too much what the size is as much as it matters that the boundaries are clearly delineated. You might want to think about storage if you're going to do some 3D stuff too. 3D walls and jersey barriers will most definitely look cooler than cards and counters and are a relatively simple upgrade to do. __________________ Dynamax Designs, Designing quality since 2035. Watch your handling and remember to Drive Offensively!