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Old 01-31-2019, 03:35 PM   #1
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Default Can In Nomine be resurrected?

There hasn't been an In Nomine product in I don't know how long; the In Nomine mailing list is silent; and even this forum has been averaging less than a post a week over the course of the last year. No gamelines ever truly dies; but this is as close to dead as I've seen.

What can be done to rectify this state of affairs? My first thought is that In Nomine needs a new edition, even if there are still first editions sitting around in the warehouse; if they haven't sold by now, they're unlikely to sell any time soon. And I'd recommend a Kickstarter campaign — not so much to raise funds for it as to raise awareness.

What should be in the new edition? That's also where the Kickstarter comes in: depending on the response, it could be as simple as “the same material as 1e, but better organized and with some rules updates”, or it could be as elaborate as an omnibus edition that incorporates material from all of the Player's Guides, the GM's Guide, and the various Library books (Liber Canticorum, Liber Castellorum, etc.).

Should the setting be left as is, updated, or rebooted? The first approach leaves all existing supplements as least somewhat valid, as only mechanical tweaks would be needed to use them; the second would work about as well, with the only “invalid” information being stuff that was true at one time but isn't anymore. The third would let you scrap some of the more problematic aspects of the setting and possibly bring in some new elements to strengthen it overall, but at the cost of first edition supplements becoming that much less relevant with each change you make.

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Old 01-31-2019, 06:59 PM   #2
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I've wondered whether SJG even still has the rights to put out a new edition, honestly.
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Old 01-31-2019, 08:11 PM   #3
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I've wondered whether SJG even still has the rights to put out a new edition, honestly.
There’s no licensing issue.
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Old 01-31-2019, 09:21 PM   #4
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...So, can we have a Second Edition, please? :)
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...So, can we have a Second Edition, please? :)
Demonstrate that there's a market.
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Exactly why I mentioned a Kickstarter. I know it's not a cure-all; but I'm thinking that it might be the only route to revitalizing the line that stands any chance at all.
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Demonstrate that there's a market.
All right. Any suggestions along those lines?
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Old 02-01-2019, 05:48 PM   #8
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I'm not going to say that there is never hope. The Fantasy Trip proves that very unlikely things can still happen. But, as other posters have pointed out, this subforum is where we would expect most of the discussion about IN to be taking place, and . . . it's very, very quiet. Post content that gets other people interested and talking, and you stand a better chance.

I like In Nomine - the rules are kinda wonky but the setting is a lot of fun. I would love to see it come back. But it won't happen until Phil and Steve see a way that we can make money doing it, because publishing games that won't make money is a quick way to not having ANYTHING to publish.
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Good place to toss around ideas.
I dont like the rules but I do like the setting.
With that in mind I have plans to propose a GURPS supplement that is sort of like Changing Times for Transhuman Space.
Basically a GURPS book that outlines the setting and gives rules to play it, with conversion notes so GURPS players can fairly easily use In Nomine material.
However I dont know if that would satisfy the fans and I have to get two books published before I can officially propose it with any hope of acceptance.
But I have done a lot of work on other projects with that future compatibility and option in mind.

Would a GURPS conversion replacing the Third Edition like that be interesting?
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Good place to toss around ideas.
I dont like the rules but I do like the setting.
With that in mind I have plans to propose a GURPS supplement that is sort of like Changing Times for Transhuman Space.
Basically a GURPS book that outlines the setting and gives rules to play it, with conversion notes so GURPS players can fairly easily use In Nomine material.
However I dont know if that would satisfy the fans and I have to get two books published before I can officially propose it with any hope of acceptance.
But I have done a lot of work on other projects with that future compatibility and option in mind.

Would a GURPS conversion replacing the Third Edition like that be interesting?
Not to me. Something that the 3e conversion illustrated is that GURPS does a lousy job with the In Nomine setting, largely because In Nomine's assumptions are largely incompatible with the way GURPS' point system is set up. The wildly varying point totals for the different Choirs and Bands (to the point that GIN basically instructed the GM to just give up on balancing them and give the players however many points they'd need for whichever templates they chose) and the added complexity of differing point costs for individual powers illustrate how poor of a fit it is. I don't see 4e doing much better.

There are some things that I'd want to change in a new edition; but turning it into a point-accounting nightmare is not one of them.
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