01-26-2011, 10:12 PM | #11 |
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Re: Template for modern EOD
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01-26-2011, 10:15 PM | #12 | |
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Re: Template for modern EOD
I just found this passage:
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Based on this, I think I could justify about 2 points for Nuclear issues. It seems like both of these points should go into Nuclear EOD, but then the characters lack any of the other knowledge they should have. This is one of those times where I really wish skills could be chunked a little finer - the gap between default and 1 pt can be a chasm when trying to create realistic characters... |
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01-26-2011, 10:18 PM | #13 |
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Re: Template for modern EOD
Dabbler Perk, PU2:16.
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01-26-2011, 10:29 PM | #14 |
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Re: Template for modern EOD
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01-26-2011, 10:33 PM | #15 |
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Re: Template for modern EOD
Rev 1:
ST 11, 10pts DX 12 (14 manual), 40+10pts IQ 13, 60pts HT 12, 20pts Will 14, 5pts Perception 14, 5pts Fatigue 14, 4pts Single-Minded or Unfazable (either), 5-15 pts Dabbler (Physics (Nuclear) +2, Engineer (Combat) +2, others TBD) Electronics Repair (Comm) 12, 1pt Electronics Repair (Sensors) 12, 1pt Explosives (Demolition) 14, 4pts Explosives (EOD) 16, 12pts Explosives (Nuclear EOD) 14, 2pts (from default) Explosives (Underwater Demolition) 14, 3pts (from default) NBC Suit 12, 2pts Search 14, 2pts Set Trap (Explosives (Demolition)) 13, 2pts This puts the minimum at 186 points, including 29pts of skills over the 42 weeks. Non-naval personnel would lose 4pts of EOD, 3pts of underwater demo, and 1pt of search, as these roughly correspond to the extra 60+ days of training underwater that only Navy personnel receive. This pulls points away from nuclear and from underwater demo, since they really do not spend that much time actually learning to blow things up or dismantle nukes. It pulls completely away from the math and physics, with Dabbler added to cover that gap. NBC suit is added at 2 pts. Last edited by cosmicfish; 01-26-2011 at 10:44 PM. |
01-26-2011, 10:38 PM | #16 |
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01-26-2011, 11:02 PM | #17 | |
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For us in the Army (when I was in, I've heard at different points during the war this has changed, so it may not be up to date info) you had to be an E4 (specialist) promotable to go into Ranger School (not Ranger Batt(alion), mind you, you can do that after passing the PRC as a private (E1)) though I've seen a E3 (PFC) get fast tracked into Ranger School. Also you had to be an E5 to make it to Special Forces or and E5 promotable to go to a Delta Force Briefing. Though, again, I heard you could enlist into SF (not delta) at some point in the mid 2000's, haven't heard it again recently, but that could mean it's still on the books. Main point being that some of those schools that are mainly for NCO's (special operational forces, et all) tend to have the higher attrition rates, though from my experience it's all depending on how many slots are available when they graduate, and much of it is due to something called "badge protecting" where a training NCO will find a way to keep you from getting his beloved school badge, because he thinks you don't deserve it. Much of the internal dynamics to "passing" these things (that much more resemble "weeder courses" in colleges and universities) is what the dynamics of your particular course is. If you are the "smartest" by a country mile, then you'll have no problems, but if you happen to go into a class with several people who joined because they graduated advanced in their class in college, but felt they wanted to "see the world" before going into their "real world" job you may be out-classed. Also you find that more and more smart/ highly educated people are joining the service, I know the most common reason for folks being in the Infantry while I was in was because you got crazy help in school with the GI bill (I just got done with my associates, and without any kicker from my signing bonus (50,000 for college) the Montgomery GI bill got me a payment of 2,500/ month for attending school (that really helped when I had my first kid, as it only cost me about 2,000 bucks for the semester books and all). So taking the ASVAB "low" scores as an average IQ for a service man is a bad idea, then again... I've met some "rocks" while I was in... including one Marine who was taking the ASVAB for the 4th time, because he kept failing Infantry requirements.... so they are out there, lol. One other thing to note, an engineer (demolitions) expert is an MOS, a basic training MOS to-boot. These guys are NOT EOD. EOD (navy EOD) is what's left over from the WWII frogmen, and the training that didn't go into the SEALs. They are Quazi-special operational forces, and pretty de-facto working with SOCOM... I think there are only a few who have gotten their EOD tab and SEAL trident, and these guys are viewed as beyond human in they're own fields. I know the guys who I roomed with had memorized everyone who earned both. Also note due to decreased budget, the Navy EOD school is the only EOD school any branch take their folks to (Army, Air Force, Navy, Marines, CIA, etc) everyone goes to the Navy school... just like EVERYONE goes to the Army Airborne school, to learn to jump out of planes... in my class we had 23 SEAL's, 3 Navy EOD, 2 Air Force Para-rescue, and lots more from every other army MOS, I was one of only two Infantry that were there, I think we had some 800+ guys in the company... it was a huge class. |
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01-26-2011, 11:12 PM | #18 | |
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Look at the training ladder at the bottom of the EOD page here the 3 weeks basic parachute training is Army Airborne training (and where I met those two guys). The Non Navy folk only go to the 42 week main course... their branch takes care of any other training as per their service SOP for their branches of EOD. |
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01-26-2011, 11:24 PM | #19 | |
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I think that linguistics and nuke school require more book smarts, but there are just so many ways to flunk out of EOD and other special ops training that it just runs up the attrition rate. Plus, for both the linguistics and nuke courses they are most interested in you graduating, to maximize the return on their investment, and so are more willing to give extra help where needed. It is easier for those courses to predict success based on testing, so entry requirements are high but attrition is low. |
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01-26-2011, 11:28 PM | #20 | |
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