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Here is another example - Night Gallery's "Hell's Bells" a hippie goes to Hell and after spending time in a waiting room is let into a room with records as far as the eye can see but they are all of music he finds "square". He then find a farmer who quickly bores him, then a couple appears with their 8,500-strong collection of their Tijuana vacation slides. Exasperated, the hippy demands that the Devil show up and explain this. The Devil appears and explains the exact same experience can be found in Heaven but for the hippy this is Hell and then leaves the hippy to his very personal Hell. Heck, to someone of the 20th century United States Plato's Republic has some definite dystopic elements to it: *Free speech/press? That's dead. *All education is by the State who decides what is taught. *Want to move up in the world? Well that DOA as you are locked into the Class assigned to you by the State. *The State lies to its citizens to "protect" them. *You have one job for your entire life and cannot change no matter how much you may hate that job. *private property? That's gone. *The State determines who your spouse will be and how many kids you are to have. Wellcome to the "Utopia" of Plato's Republic. In fact, Huxley's Brave New World pulls a lot of its elements from The Republic. On the surface it seems very Utopian but once you go below that surface the dystopic nature of the world becomes clearer and clearer.
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Heck in the world of Star Trek there has always been an undercurrent that things are not as much of a Utopia as it first appears. In the TOS era it seems like every time someone famous in the Federation showed up they already had a mental illness or had their mental break down during the episode. As for TNG the Prime Directive had been twisted into an abomination where the Federation was willing to let a people die even though they had the resources to save them.
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In the case of utopias, in particular, you can choose to play a character who is a utopian citizen, and live by and believes in the values of a particular utopia, even if those aren't your values. It's part of "roleplaying." And maybe you can't play an unlimited range of roles, but as long as some group of players can agree on playing roles that fit in a particular utopia, that utopia can be a viable campaign for that particular group.
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The point is not missed. I just don't care about it. A Utopia is a society where the occupants are...somehow...maximally happy and fulfilled regardless of whether an outside observer regards it as disturbing or downright horrible. So yeah a utopia can also be a dystopia particularly if it's a utopia where the details are explored rather than handwaved. But Roddenberry did a heck of a lot of handwaving.
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Surprising amounts of answers (that are not ignorants trolling, luckily not on this thread), Thanks.
I'll be checking the "Just City", also have to note that early parts of "politeia" considering justice and how systems are flawed was intresting like concept of "Noble lie" etc. I'm still thinking of writing more on this matter. BTW: never thought that Star Trek's UFP would have any basis on philosophy, save Vulcans. :D --Mp |
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Arguably, the People's Republic of China is structured the same as a platonic republic. The ruling Communist establishnent are the philisopher class (albeit more fallible), the armed forces are the soldier class, and the burgeoning ebtrepreneurs are the merchant class.
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