GURPS Shadowrun

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Crakkerjakk

Frankly I'd include clothes as well, but that's not official.

"You start with a full wardrobe appropriate to your Status – you need not purchase this separately." Basic page 266.

[Crakkerjakk]

Originally Posted by Godogma

Its also vaguer than hell, and as most vehicles as noted by GURPS cost far more than your starting wealth its very interesting that one is provided.

It's vaguer than hell on the assumption that you handwave "you're a fantasy peasant/modern day english professor/sci-fi cop and you paid 80% of your starting wealth for 'lifestyle stuff'? Yeah you have a hoe/cell phone/commlink, even though you forgot to buy one."

[Crakkerjakk]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

"You start with a full wardrobe appropriate to your Status – you need not purchase this separately." Basic page 266.

I would think people who don't own a closet would have less clothes, myself.

[Godogma]

Exactly, its an ASSUMPTION.

When they put in exactly what the stuff you paid for entails, other than clothing which is provided for you as stated on page 266 I might worry about whats in that reddish pink lined textbox.

Otherwise, I deduce cost of living covers where you're staying and food and such, and your starting money covers what you want to/need to buy from the equipment section.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Crakkerjakk

I would think people who don't own a closet would have less clothes, myself.

It is appropriate to status. Status -1 homeless people can probably count those 3-4 stinking layers as a wardrobe.

Originally Posted by Godogma

Exactly, its an ASSUMPTION.

When they put in exactly what the stuff you paid for entails, other than clothing which is provided for you as stated on page 266 I might worry about whats in that reddish pink lined textbox.

Otherwise, I assume cost of living covers where you're staying and food and such.

It's far easier than bean counting every little non-adventuring item that a person owns.

[Crakkerjakk]

Originally Posted by Godogma

Exactly, its an ASSUMPTION.

When they put in exactly what the stuff you paid for entails, other than clothing which is provided for you as stated on page 266 I might worry about whats in that reddish pink lined textbox.

It's the stated intention of the guys who write for GURPS to provide lists of examples, not inclusive lists of exactly what certain things entail. You get 20% to spend on "adventuring gear." The other 80% is on everything else, including clothes and houses.

Regardless, you don't want to use it in your games, that's fine. Do you let them buy any LC class stuff at cost?

[Crakkerjakk]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

It is appropriate to status. Status -1 homeless people can probably count those 3-4 stinking layers as a wardrobe.

What about status 0 people? The trivial case is homeless people. I'm trying to imagine higher status people (like adventurer types) and whether I have more clothes than them. I'm guessing yes.

[Godogma]

Everything has a Legality Class associated with it, and it depends on what item they want and how their background is set up.

Sir_pudding, as for it being easier than bean counting - saying that the $600 cost of living covers rent and food and whatnot also covers that so its just as easy my way.

[Fred Brackin]

Originally Posted by Godogma

Its also vaguer than hell, and as most vehicles as noted by GURPS cost far more than your starting wealth its very interesting that one is provided.

Yes (in the US at least) but you won't own it outright. You'll be making payments to the bank (and that's included in your CoL too).

Look, this is not a new rule. It goes back very early in 3e (at least). It's never applied to many classes of adventurers but it's always been meant to apply to modern day people who have houses and TV sets and all sort of non-adventure worthy possessions.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Crakkerjakk

What about status 0 people? The trivial case is homeless people. I'm trying to imagine higher status people (like adventurer types) and whether I have more clothes than them. I'm guessing yes.

Ah yes I see. Yes I do the same thing. Characters who pay the 80% assets get a wardrobe, characters that don't get a single free outfit (or maybe a steamer trunk full if they pay for the trunk).

Originally Posted by Godogma

Sir_pudding, as for it being easier than bean counting - saying that the $600 cost of living covers rent and food and whatnot also covers that so its just as easy my way.

This doesn't account for assets that the character has beyond monthly costs. I wouldn't do it that way, personally.