02-20-2020, 03:45 AM | #1 |
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Some confusion about DFRPG books/supplements
First let me say DF wasnt really a thing for me till I realized that the way I run GURPS 'fantasy settings' is largely a mix of GURPS and DF ...
I have started looking into deeper into DF, and I have bought a few books that were useful to me as aids. Specifically DF Companion (1) and DF 8: Treasure Tables. Ive looked over some of the other supplements some might be helpful some arent for me. example I dont feel the need for templates for instance, that locked in progression is one of the big reasons I stopped running D&D so many moons ago and they are WAY to high point value for most games I run. I just started looking into the traps part of the Companion (to see what spice I could throw inot an encounter) and now Im confused by the reference to the "source book". It says "Adventurers pg 116" but when I go on Warehouse 23 and look at DF Adventurers it only has 31 pages. I see that the Box set has a book that apparently the same title and has 128 pages (Im guessing this is it) . Its not a super big deal cause I will probably pick up the 5 book core set if I can ever find it here, in Germany (I dont want B/W Print on demand version I want the actual color stuff). Im just curious what the difference is between the apparently 128pg Adventurers book and the 20ish smaller supplements .... Are the supplements reprints of sections of the source book, or additions, or whats in the core book that isnt in the supplements (besides pg 116 hehheh)? Why no difference in title? (I almost bought the supplement which would have been useless for this purpose). The only indicator seems to be a number. Like DF 1: Adventurers is not DF: Adventurers. Are there any other book/supplement name crossovers I should be aware of before I start considering a purchase? Last is a side question, are the current box sets actually color print or was that only for the kickstarter and I will end up with B/W stuff? Im still angry about buying a 4e Magic that was not a color version, indexing sucks without it, because Amazon.de wasn't specific and only had a picture of the cover. I kept it but I'm really harboring a grudge that refreshes every time I pull it out to use it or talk about it... therapy may be in order |
02-20-2020, 04:08 AM | #2 | ||
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Re: Some confusion about DFRPG books/supplements
There are two different game lines.
1) GURPS Dungeon Fantasy is based on GURPS 4th Edition game line and requires the GURPS 4th Edition Basic Set and GURPS Magic supplements to get full use out of. 2) The Dungeon Fantasy Roleplaying Game is a self contained RPG. DFRPG takes portions of the GURPS Basic Set, GURPS Magic, and GURPS Dungeon Fantasy 1-3 and rewrites, streamlines, and combines them into a self-contained Box Set. The Box Set contains five books: Adventurers (character creation), Exploits (GM rules), Spells, Monsters, and I Smell A Rat (a first adventure). While the two game lines use the same rules base, the DFRPG line is designed to be self-contained, so any page references will be entirely within that game line while the GURPS Dungeon Fantasy line is based on the larger GURPS game line and may require any number of books from that line (but always at least the Basic Set, Magic, and Dungeon Fantasy 1: Adventurers). Basically, if it the title of the book says only Dungeon Fantasy and it has the logo Dungeon Fantasy Powered by GURPS it is a Dungeon Fantasy RPG supplement. If the title says GURPS Dungeon Fantasy and it has some variant of the GURPS Logo then it is a GURPS Dungeon Fantasy supplement. Quote:
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They made several DFRPG books available through the GURPS On Demand program, which you can order through Amazon. I expect that these are all Black and White, but have not ordered any of them so cannot say for sure.
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02-20-2020, 06:53 AM | #3 | |||
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Re: Some confusion about DFRPG books/supplements
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DFRPG is intended to be a smaller more compact system that is a more accessible system that can be easier picked up and used with no knowledge of GURPS. Verses "GURPS dungeon fantasy", which are more supplements for GURPS users to streamline play into a similar play style without losing all the mechanics of GURPS. (which also means this thread really doesnt belong here but in the GURPS forum, now that I understand this) Quote:
People using DFRPG dont have the same view of the 'depth / mechanics' and that's sort of by design to make it differently accessible. Quote:
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02-20-2020, 07:18 AM | #4 | ||
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Both game lines are still seeing new support, and given that they both use the underlying GURPS rules the supplements can be used with one-another pretty easily. The biggest issue is the one you had, where supplements are going to point you to the main books of it's own game line, so if you don't have access to the core sets of both it can cause some issues with being able to follow the references. Quote:
Correct on all counts.
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02-20-2020, 07:39 AM | #5 | |
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02-20-2020, 09:32 PM | #6 |
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Re: Some confusion about DFRPG books/supplements
To the OP: I think your questions have been answered. But in case you or future visitors want to read a bit more about the connections & differences between GURPS Dungeon Fantasy and Dungeon Fantasy Roleplaying Game:
I take a shot at answering the same sort of question in this thread (mid-page, post #99). (Similar blather on my site here.) Kromm then responds to the above thread (post #100), adding more specific notes on exactly what parts of the DF line were pulled into DFRPG, and some meta-level design considerations. You'll probably find his comments pretty interesting!
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02-21-2020, 12:19 AM | #7 | |
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Re: Some confusion about DFRPG books/supplements
There are many really useful responses here already.
I would just like to clarify a bit regarding this perspective: Quote:
One major simplifying factor of the self-contained DFRPG is that it no longer had to account for extra generic rules that would not apply to the Cinematic Fantasy genre. |
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02-29-2020, 03:14 PM | #8 |
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Re: Some confusion about DFRPG books/supplements
I got DFRPG Companion (the first one) with the recent $135 bundle in honor of Companion 2. It is B&W interior only. Are they all like that or do I have a POD version? (Companion 2 is in full color.)
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02-29-2020, 03:15 PM | #9 |
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Re: Some confusion about DFRPG books/supplements
That book is only in B&W. It is not a color book.
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02-29-2020, 03:20 PM | #10 |
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Wow that is a quick answer! Thanks! Everything is so glorious, and weeks ahead of schedule! I was not expecting the cardboard heroes to be so thick/heavy. My high expectations were all exceeded! Plus a little extra notebook!
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