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Old 02-20-2018, 12:52 PM   #111
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This is likely to be inordinately expensive and also not terribly representative.

Unless of course it's a simulated city. Rulership by victory in rpg/boardgame :)
In principle that is not so different from the German General Staff Corps.
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Old 02-20-2018, 10:08 PM   #112
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This is likely to be inordinately expensive and also not terribly representative.

Unless of course it's a simulated city. Rulership by victory in rpg/boardgame :)
We're talking exotic, so they could be Bene Gesserit-style leadership academies, all set up somehow on Crucible, Planet of Ungovernable Cities. Populate it with convicts, slaves, political prisoners or whoever, and have the cadets competing for scarce resource drops.

"Fairness" might be important for a modern-day university course, but it wouldn't need to be a feature here.
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Old 02-22-2018, 04:18 AM   #113
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We're talking exotic, so they could be Bene Gesserit-style leadership academies, all set up somehow on Crucible, Planet of Ungovernable Cities. Populate it with convicts, slaves, political prisoners or whoever, and have the cadets competing for scarce resource drops.
The drawback of this sort of thing is the test no longer tests for anything *useful*. The skills you need to govern a city populated entirely by criminals horrible enough to be sent to Hellworld, or for that matter by political science students aspiring to be leaders themselves, are likely to be fairly unrelated to the ones you need to govern a more normal population successfully.
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Old 02-22-2018, 09:37 AM   #114
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The drawback of this sort of thing is the test no longer tests for anything *useful*. The skills you need to govern a city populated entirely by criminals horrible enough to be sent to Hellworld, or for that matter by political science students aspiring to be leaders themselves, are likely to be fairly unrelated to the ones you need to govern a more normal population successfully.
An artificial city can train for specific things. Locals can be recruited to serve as "civilians" in a counterinsurgency training center(which needs more then an aggressor team to be useful). Or as we are going with the possibility of exotic and ruthless, a penal colony could be have a number of them given arms and live ammo, hauled off to a training ground and told to survive or die. Kind of like Hunger Games but more a military exercise then an entertainment.
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Old 02-25-2018, 06:05 PM   #115
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A constitutional government where the legislative membership is popularly elected but the executive position is hereditary and the highest court in the land is presided over by the leader of the state religion (chosen in a vote between the highest ranking church officials)

A democracy where executive authority is held by a committee chosen for fixed terms by the legislature

A meritocracy where "merit" is determined by victory in an elaborate tournament of simulation games.

A corporate state where there is legislative government with each legislator representing one of the major founding corporations of the government.

A legislative government where the elected officials do not represent geographic areas but rather occupational castes
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Old 02-25-2018, 10:21 PM   #116
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Requires a high-tech society, but:

Hereditary monarchy, rule by clone. The former king is cloned, in effect the society is ruled by an endless succession of identical twins. Since they grow up in different environments, they'll still be different people, more so than most natural twins, even if we assume the personality and identity are purely about genes and environment.

But they'll still be more similar to each other than any previous dynasty in history.

With sufficiently advanced magic, something like that might also be doable in fantasy settings.
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Old 02-25-2018, 11:32 PM   #117
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Requires a high-tech society, but:

Hereditary monarchy, rule by clone. The former king is cloned, in effect the society is ruled by an endless succession of identical twins. Since they grow up in different environments, they'll still be different people, more so than most natural twins, even if we assume the personality and identity are purely about genes and environment.

But they'll still be more similar to each other than any previous dynasty in history.

With sufficiently advanced magic, something like that might also be doable in fantasy settings.
If I remember the Archduke of Deneb did this in Traveller.
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A constitutional hierarchy of councils where each neighborhood or tract elects it's executive, who then votes as a member of the next layer up while being the autocratic leader (subject to council vote to overrule), all the way up. Likely, the top levels use traditional Noble titles
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Rule by deceased ancestor. The current monarch is still alive and subject to external influence and thus open to corruption in his rulings and decisions.

The most recently deceased monarch has the experience and wisdom of a lifetime at his disposal, and is now able to make pure decisions for the good of the nation incorrupt of earthly desires or fealties.

Thus the living monarch is the mouthpiece of his predecessor, and is actually heir-apparent until his demise.

There could be significant issues if the heir-apparent dies at an inappropriately young age.
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The drawback of this sort of thing is the test no longer tests for anything *useful*. The skills you need to govern a city populated entirely by criminals horrible enough to be sent to Hellworld, or for that matter by political science students aspiring to be leaders themselves, are likely to be fairly unrelated to the ones you need to govern a more normal population successfully.
I don't know- you'd certainly become adept at understanding human nature, how to gain and enforce loyalty, how to suppress rebellion among your subjects, and many other useful skills.

It doesn't have to be a sci-fi setting either. A dictatorial fantasy emperor could send his offspring to the Cities in the Plains for their governorship training, and being dictatorial, the citizens are living there by imperial decree. I'm inspired by these modern day abandoned cities in China, which could have been built for training purposes.
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