02-28-2012, 05:47 PM | #1 |
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Gabriels dissonance Condition.
HEres a few questions.
If a Gabrielite accidently punishes an innocent, or simply applys EXCESSIVE punishment, does that also cause dissonance. (E.g. Crippling a grade school bully for stealing lunch money) If a sinner a Gabrielite has been stalking should visibly and sincerely repent, due to unforseeable circumstances (Humans have free will ater all) does that satisfy things or does he need to find another sinner scat? |
02-29-2012, 12:36 AM | #2 | ||
Petitioner: Word of IN Filk
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Re: Gabriels dissonance Condition.
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Accidentally punishing an innocent does two things. One, it means the angel still has to find someone cruel within the original time frame set. And two, it may have made the angel detectable as "cruel" to his or her fellows! You may not have gotten dissonance, but you have definitely bought trouble, and maybe an Outcasting if Gabriel finds out ... Quote:
That said, these are Fire angels, which means the clock never stops ticking. They still have to find another sinner ... it's just that they get their time re-set to do it.
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02-29-2012, 02:31 AM | #3 |
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Re: Gabriels dissonance Condition.
No; the clock starts ticking when they met a cruel person. (Otherwise, every Gabrielite in Heaven would Fall like stones). If their target wasn't actually cruel, then the clock never started.
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02-29-2012, 07:39 AM | #4 | |
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Re: Gabriels dissonance Condition.
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That said, I did make that mistake later in my statement. Apologies.
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02-29-2012, 01:32 PM | #5 |
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Re: Gabriels dissonance Condition.
Good point
similarly a sheddim in hell doesnt risk gaining dissonance. as he doestn have a host. (though hes probaly pretty miserable because of it) |
03-01-2012, 07:15 AM | #6 | |
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03-02-2012, 10:31 AM | #7 | |
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Re: Gabriels dissonance Condition.
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One of my favorite examples of "burning the cruel" from the books (wish I could remember which) is of an Ofanim chasing someone on the run from the law, finally catching up with the person, and then just leaving them be. Scaring the hell out of them was enough to count as "burning" them. There's no question in this dissonance condition of too MUCH or too LITTLE punishment (probably another reason Dominic is so hostile toward Gabrielites). The main rules of thumb for many may just be "enough to avoid dissonance" and "not so much that you're getting recognized as cruel yourself." |
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03-02-2012, 02:19 PM | #8 |
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Re: Gabriels dissonance Condition.
Well, I think repentance is a punishment in and of itself. A truly repentant person is not only "sorry 'bout killing your dog", but he shares the grief of his victim and is profoundly sad about having brought another person pain. And since repentance is emotionally painful, I'd consider it valid as "serving justice".
Although it's maybe a language thing, but I never seem to be able to get a decent definition for "cruelty" in the first place. M.
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03-02-2012, 02:33 PM | #9 |
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Re: Gabriels dissonance Condition.
I'd say cruelty is taking pleasure in the pain of others. Gabrielites can take pleasure in fulfilling their nature, or be passionate about punishing the cruel, but there's a fine line between either of those and actually enjoying the pain itself. It's like the difference between punishing your kids because you like "win" (which is kind of messed up) vs. punishing them because you know they need to learn a lesson (which might eventually lead to positive feelings around being a good parent).
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03-02-2012, 02:57 PM | #10 |
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Re: Gabriels dissonance Condition.
it mentioned somewhere that they bend over backwards to avoid being cruel somewhere, even that sometiems they'll keep track of how many blows they give someone to make it the same basic amount of pain.
oh curious? a 3 force reliever of fire withotu a vessel , whats SHE to do when she spots a cruel person? makes it hard to punish even a normal human. |
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