[Supers] GURPS Unofficial Handbook to the Marvel Universe, Reboot Edition

[Otaku]

Originally Posted by tbrock1031

Height: 5' 2".
Weight: 290 lbs.

Remind me again where the numbers come from; I thought Wolverine was 5'3" and 300 lbs (with adamantium - without he clocks in at 195 lbs.).

Being overweight does not mean you're "over-fat", though that is a pretty common misconception. Muscle (of the same volume) weighs more than fat (it is denser); generally Wolverine is depicted (and obviously this doesn't match the live action films) as short and stocky. He isn't fat, but he's not "trim", "skinny", "thin" etc. or even "average". While plenty of people use it as an excuse, body shape/build (apart from how muscled you are) really does make a difference.

Wolverine is well muscled, which is how we go from a stocky 5'3 guy with an ideal body weight from around 140lbs to 153 lbs. to his 195 lbs. weight (sans Adamantium, which I took from a wikia). Wolverine having about 50 lbs of extra "muscle" spread out over his frame seems about right. Now toss in the adamantium, which according to the same wikia has Wolverine clocking in at the 300 lbs. mark.

[Phantasm]

Originally Posted by Otaku

Remind me again where the numbers come from; I thought Wolverine was 5'3" and 300 lbs (with adamantium - without he clocks in at 195 lbs.).

The OHOTMUDE (#14) entry I took his height from gives him a weight of 250 pounds, which I thought was a bit low for the amount of metal he has in his body; the 290 lbs was my guestimating and adjusting his weight for the metal. He's short (hence why he's habitually called "Runt" by Sabretooth and others).

Originally Posted by Otaku

Being overweight does not mean you're "over-fat", though that is a pretty common misconception. Muscle (of the same volume) weighs more than fat (it is denser); generally Wolverine is depicted (and obviously this doesn't match the live action films) as short and stocky. He isn't fat, but he's not "trim", "skinny", "thin" etc. or even "average". While plenty of people use it as an excuse, body shape/build (apart from how muscled you are) really does make a difference.

Wolverine is well muscled, which is how we go from a stocky 5'3 guy with an ideal body weight from around 140lbs to 153 lbs. to his 195 lbs. weight (sans Adamantium, which I took from a wikia). Wolverine having about 50 lbs of extra "muscle" spread out over his frame seems about right. Now toss in the adamantium, which according to the same wikia has Wolverine clocking in at the 300 lbs. mark.

Exactly my reasoning. For a Real Life example, Arnold Schwarzenegger at the start of his acting career was extremely well-muscled, being a world-class body-builder. By the numbers of the BMI, he would have been considered "obese", though no one looking at him would have called him that.

[Otaku]

Originally Posted by tbrock1031

He's short (hence why he's habitually called "Runt" by Sabretooth and others).

5'3" is still short. ;)

[Phantasm]

Originally Posted by Otaku

5'3" is still short. ;)

He just doesn't seem a mere one inch shorter than Jean, though, who is canonically a very leggy 5' 4". (5' 6" in combat heels.)

[Otaku]

Originally Posted by tbrock1031

He just doesn't seem a mere one inch shorter than Jean, though, who is canonically a very leggy 5' 4". (5' 6" in combat heels.)

Quick Google search yields multiple hits that state Jean Grey as 5'6"... without citing the combat heels (an important distinction). Of course, artistic license can be a factor as well.

OHOTMUDE is what exactly? It doesn't quite align with Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe. Is the DE "Digital Edition" or something? Either way I've been burned by source books before, between deadlines and contradicting source material leading to bizarre amalgams of sources never really meant to co-exist and the temptation to fudge things because "Who's going to catch it?"... especially the farther back you go.

Yeah, I know it is scary that I am trusting Wikis over official product, but its also Marvel Comics, not a GURPS book. ;)

Addendum: Okay, now on Marvel's own website and looking up character info and... Jean Grey is listed as 5'6" (no mention of heels) while Wolverine is listed as 5'3"... and they go to the trouble of listing his weight without adamantium as 195 lbs and with as 300 lbs, so it seems like they'd have mentioned that sort of thing.

[Not another shrubbery]

Originally Posted by tbrock1031

Discriminatory Smell includes +4 to smell, does it not? (IDHMBWM, so I can't look it up right now.)

I forgot to check when I was by my books, but I think you're right. Given how the acuity of his sense of smell is played up, a level might still fit, but at least it's not worse than his hearing.

[Otaku]

Originally Posted by Not another shrubbery

I forgot to check when I was by my books, but I think you're right. Given how the acuity of his sense of smell is played up, a level might still fit, but at least it's not worse than his hearing.

Which reminds me... depending on the media Wolverine's hearing is also depicting as superhuman vision and hearing as well (so far, not touch). If it just a choice not to include such things (or if its something obscure that only shows up in say the 90s animated series)... my bad. Pretty sure Wolverine is supposed to have at least a few levels of Night Vision (maxed out, according to Wikipedia which - again - I know is a risky reference source).

[Keiko]

All Wolverines senses seem to be frighteningly acute though how much varies from depiction to depiction. He's done things like feel the pressure wave of an oncoming explosion several seconds in advance and tracked targets by the smell they left in the air days later. Flyndaran's suggestion that his senses are manifestations of psychic powers while not 'canon" as far as I know isn't really far off from how they've been presented in the past. It could be enough to justify some sort of Danger sense ability.

[Phantasm]

Originally Posted by Otaku

OHOTMUDE is what exactly? It doesn't quite align with Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe. Is the DE "Digital Edition" or something? Either way I've been burned by source books before, between deadlines and contradicting source material leading to bizarre amalgams of sources never really meant to co-exist and the temptation to fudge things because "Who's going to catch it?"... especially the farther back you go.

Official Handbook of the Marvel Universe Deluxe Edition, the 20-issue run from 1985-86 (Secret Wars II era). (Followed up a few years later with the 8-issue OHOTMU Update '89.) I only really hit the wiki or the Unofficial Appendix site for characters that don't have entries in the OHOTMUDE/U89.

I was collecting them in high school, and while some issues have seen better days (DE #1, #2, and U89 #8 have seen a lot of mileage with covers missing) they're still pretty much my go-to source for some things.

[Phantasm]

Originally Posted by Not another shrubbery

I forgot to check when I was by my books, but I think you're right. Given how the acuity of his sense of smell is played up, a level might still fit, but at least it's not worse than his hearing.

Originally Posted by Otaku

Which reminds me... depending on the media Wolverine's hearing is also depicting as superhuman vision and hearing as well (so far, not touch). If it just a choice not to include such things (or if its something obscure that only shows up in say the 90s animated series)... my bad. Pretty sure Wolverine is supposed to have at least a few levels of Night Vision (maxed out, according to Wikipedia which - again - I know is a risky reference source).

Originally Posted by Keiko

All Wolverines senses seem to be frighteningly acute though how much varies from depiction to depiction. He's done things like feel the pressure wave of an oncoming explosion several seconds in advance and tracked targets by the smell they left in the air days later. Flyndaran's suggestion that his senses are manifestations of psychic powers while not 'canon" as far as I know isn't really far off from how they've been presented in the past. It could be enough to justify some sort of Danger sense ability.

What I intended was for his hearing and smell to be roughly equivalent in acuity, with the smell also doubling as "*sniff* he's lying". I haven't yet checked the books to see if Discriminatory Smell has the +4; the current stat block kinda assumes it does.

Any thoughts on Wolvie's claws? I wasn't entirely sure building them as Strikers was the right way, or whether his Modified ST-Based Damage advantage has the right Accessibility? (I added the Accessibility because I figured his headbutt or regular punches wouldn't have an AD(infinite), though thinking back on it an AD(2) isn't out of the question for his regular melee attacks).