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EDIT: When I said "Memes aren't ideas. They are the building blocks of ideas." I meant "Memes aren't just ideas, they are the smallest possible elements of cultural expression that can independently replicated." Does that help? I apologize for my lack of clarity. Last edited by sir_pudding; 09-24-2014 at 09:21 PM. |
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Christianity is a meme. Capitalism is a meme. A photo of a bunny with a pancake on its head is a meme. The Star Wars logo is a meme. A book cover that depicts a rear view, usually from the neck down, of an athletic woman in tight pants who is holding a weapon at night* is a meme. "Attack them over there so they won't attack us over here" is a meme. "Smallest possible" is an invalid part of your definition. * This is basically the standard "urban fantasy novel with female main character" cover template. |
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"We need a name for the new replicator, a noun that conveys the idea of a unit of cultural transmission, or a unit of imitation." Quote:
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Re: Is video game violence memetic?
Not so much. Dawkins is a poor mathematician, and he doesn't use "unit" as nicely as I'd like. I recall (but can't immediately find) a passage of his in which he is discussing the question "what is a gene" and makes it clear that he doesn't mean "base pair" nor even anything as strict as "codon", but any stretch of DNA that is reproduced reliably enough to be significantly subject to selective pressures (and, implicitly, to approach equilibrium).
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Personally, if I were making the analogy in biological terms, I'd liken memes to viruses, not individual genes or even strands of DNA. They get transmitted from person to person, where they either replicate (sometimes mutating in the process) or get rejected (ie. destroyed by antibodies). They carry "genetic payloads" of various sizes - the message(s) - and some are more "contagious" than others. |
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Re: Is video game violence memetic?
And many are impossible to replicate in given hosts. I can't get Dutch elm disease or religion.
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