04-30-2012, 06:02 PM | #41 | |
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Re: Religious Prohibitions Leading to Safe-tech
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If the program makes to Sapience level then it not just a computer program anymore |
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04-30-2012, 06:04 PM | #42 |
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Getting back to the original post:
1: "All men must speak the truth to all, even themselves." Obviously, people being people, they'll probably break this one all the time. But because everyone has to pretend this is true, it will be taboo to suggest that anyone might not know everything they think and feel. Without that, the idea of the unconscious mind will be delayed, and with it they'll miss out on a lot of modern academic and scientific psychology (Freud and everyone after him, in particular). Without that investigation into how people think and why, there likely won't be as much interest in building thinking machines. 2a: "The human body is involiate, both during life and after death." This parallels thinking in Europe during the Middle Ages. This'll cost the society, as there will be no surgery and and an incomplete theory of medicine. But it will prevent cybernetics and transhumanism. 2b: as an alternative to 2a: "The skull is the seat of the soul and the abode of the breath of God." This allows an understanding of human anatomy, but draws the line at neurobiology. With outan understanding of how the brain works, cybernetics become unlikely.
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04-30-2012, 06:09 PM | #43 | |
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Sapience is self-awareness, and in gurps simply IQ above 6. Neither of these imply human or even primitive mammal levels of intrinsic importance. A working horse and a car are not slaves. They are property being used. The horse simply requires humane treatment, not freedom or wages. A computer program deserves no more than the car for lacking the feelings the horse has.
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04-30-2012, 06:14 PM | #44 |
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While the "Do people need religious justifications to keep themselves from eating poison" thing was somewhat relevant the sapience thing has strayed enough to become tangential to the thread. Let's try to stay on target.
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04-30-2012, 06:15 PM | #45 | |
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04-30-2012, 06:18 PM | #46 | |
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But OTOH, it is a sub-topic too prone to exploding to be of use for this thread.
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04-30-2012, 06:23 PM | #47 |
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Quite true! The examination of who is worthy for rights is fine. It just needs to stay within the confines of a cultural viewpoint and have a focus on practical side effects with regards to technology.
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04-30-2012, 06:47 PM | #49 |
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If one believes that advanced A.I. is deserving of full "human" rights, then there will simply be zero funding for their creation. There would be no money in creating tools that can't be made to the jobs they were designed for.
There might even be a baseless fear that overly complex mundane programs may become sapient on their own making even those illegal.
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That was about computers, but the same thing applies. If you create something so that the most economicly viable thing for it to do is what you want, then you have a good chance of it doing what you want (though it may not do it for you) Quote:
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