11-05-2017, 02:30 PM | #11 |
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Re: [Basic] Disadvantage of the week: Bad Grip and Ham-Fisted
Only if you have a weapon that can be fast-drawn in the first place; axes, flails, etc don't get that privelage.
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11-05-2017, 04:35 PM | #12 |
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Re: [Basic] Disadvantage of the week: Bad Grip and Ham-Fisted
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11-06-2017, 03:01 PM | #13 |
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Re: [Basic] Disadvantage of the week: Bad Grip and Ham-Fisted
Fast draws seem to be a thing that some gamers are much more concerned with than most real fighters were and are (iajitsu being the notable exception). Maybe it is just me but I see combat oriented GURPS characters who expect trouble to have ready weapons in hand in my games, just like in real life. Fast-Draw comes up when fights break out unexpectedly, but that is a minority of combat, IME.
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11-06-2017, 03:43 PM | #14 |
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Re: [Basic] Disadvantage of the week: Bad Grip and Ham-Fisted
I always get really frustrated with these disadvantages every time I have to work with them.
Some of it is because they give back so few points for how much they seriously mess with the character. Some of it is because I keep wanting an opposite of fine manual DX that applies to creatures with a very firm but awkward grip.
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11-06-2017, 03:47 PM | #15 | ||
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Re: [Basic] Disadvantage of the week: Bad Grip and Ham-Fisted
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11-06-2017, 07:42 PM | #16 |
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Re: [Basic] Disadvantage of the week: Bad Grip and Ham-Fisted
Ham-Fisted is incremental, it's just in units of -3 instead of -1. It's asymmetrical to High Manual Dexterity because (like many disadvantages) it's priced assuming the people that take it don't expect to be hindered by it.
My experience of Ham-Fisted is that the reaction penalty is a regular problem, and the actual DX penalties are negligable - because I'm not taking it on characters that will ever attempt Sleight of Hand or Pickpocket or Lockpicking or Surgery. Acquiring Ham-Fisted after-the-fact unwillingly is a different prospect, and that's where Ham-Fisted from equipment potentially becomes a more significant disad... except you get to pick your equipment and you can take it off.
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11-06-2017, 08:26 PM | #17 | |
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Re: [Basic] Disadvantage of the week: Bad Grip and Ham-Fisted
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Sleight of Hand? Hammerfoust makes coins disappear like magic! (Right into the tavernkeeper's pocket...) Pickpocket? Hammerfoust hits the victim in the head until they aren't capable of noticing him riffling their pockets. Lockpicking? Seriously? Of course Hammerfoust can pick(axe) a lock. Surgery? Ahhh.... well... hmmm. Okay. You got me there. Only the terminally ill and suffering would want Hammerfoust as their surgeon... |
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11-07-2017, 10:40 AM | #18 |
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Re: [Basic] Disadvantage of the week: Bad Grip and Ham-Fisted
I'm trying to think where that ran into problems for me. I know it did, but I can't remember the specifics. Sorry.
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11-07-2017, 12:41 PM | #19 |
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Re: [Basic] Disadvantage of the week: Bad Grip and Ham-Fisted
GURPS Horror has "Not Climbing" as a -10% Accessibility on Bad Grip for the gorilla-like ngojama demon, but this seems like more of a stopgap measure than an argument against just using Ham-Fisted.
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