10-10-2015, 09:39 PM | #111 |
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10-10-2015, 09:41 PM | #112 |
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It is somewhere between fairly common and very widespread, yes (consult GURPS Arabian Nights if a more precise answer is desired). And yes, in such a situation the penalty for "handing food to others with one's toilet hand" is the one that should apply. And that might be a -10 OPH.
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10-10-2015, 09:48 PM | #113 | |
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There may well be a quranic sentence, or a hadith, that defines touching food with one's left hand as being sinful, but my take on things is that it's a Middle Eastern thing, one that arose long before the 6th century, and that a Jew or a Middle Eastern Christian (or even a Middle Eastern Zoroastrian) would be about as horrified at seeing food handled with the toilet hand as a Middle Eastern Moslem would (and likewise that a Moslem many generations removed from the Middle East might not be horrified at all, in fact might even notice it, same way few if any westernized Jews would). So in GURPS terms it's a CF thing, not a Theology thing (although it should probably also be an OPH thing). Or if you employ the CF/RF split that I've suggested as being useful for historical fantasy campaigns (that itself being a simplified version of what I do in Sagatafl, e.g. to simulate my Ärth setting) then the toilet hand thing belongs in the CF camp and not in the RF camp, according to my take on things. |
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10-10-2015, 11:58 PM | #114 |
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10-11-2015, 10:51 AM | #115 |
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OK, a 15 point OPH has to be something horrible and most of the stuff here isn't all that horrible. So my contribution to the idea of a 15 point OPH is:
Rapes little girls in public on a routine basis and expects to get away with it.
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The "religious" consideration is apart from a more general "social" consideration though they may have a shared cause. This is actually quite common, though it can get muddied due to the various different faiths, the various different divisions within said faiths and perhaps most important personal understanding of said faith (not just how someone interprets something, but how competent they are in their faith). Something can be viewed either negatively or positively by both the theist and the atheist, commonly held in the culture, but the exact reason why can differ. In most cases, something that both would agree is "wrong" will be because of natural consequences, but also because of something else for the theist like divine revelation. In this case, besides the practical reasons for a society responding poorly to using the wrong hand to eat, those belonging to a particular faith may have additional reason to respond poorly. The section of text you did quote was just me pointing out that I had not done in depth study and so passages of Muslim holy text that favor "right" over "left" that I encountered while barely looking into this could have been taken far out of context... but like similar Christian passages would be if used in a similar manner. I also was pointing out that even if everyday life experience no longer contains the source of the original negative reaction, it may still persist for some time afterwards.
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What would be more orcish? The ones we see are the one's that fought their way to adulthood amid millions of orc larvae?
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10-12-2015, 01:39 PM | #118 |
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That probably gets you Social Stigma (Monster), if not Enemy (Police; Hunted) or even Enemy (Howling Mobs; Hunted). I'm not sure you could do it often enough for it to count as a habit.
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10-12-2015, 01:58 PM | #119 |
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You do need to pick a setting for an OPH. Assume it's a setting where there's no legal age of consent, the person in question is a man of rank and his victims are socially negligible. At that point public displays of his propensity (probably not actually raping them in public but making it blatant how he are using them) might just be a 15 point OPH, inspiring disgust but not legal sanctions or mob violence.
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10-12-2015, 03:25 PM | #120 | |
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A slaveowner who rapes slave children in public will have 15 point OPH among his slaves pretty obviously. Among freefolk he will probably have up to 5 points because it is a distasteful practice even when not threatening("rather an ill-bred fellow, don't you know"). What he does in private matters less-they're his slaves after all. Though one rather bitter Southern woman pointed out that Stowe actually didn't go far enough because she made Legree a bachelor.
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