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Re: "Medieval" fantasy with tech 2?
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There were some pretty good maps at TL 2, too: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ptolem...sia_detail.jpg
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12-12-2017, 08:06 AM | #42 |
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Re: "Medieval" fantasy with tech 2?
The Hobbit mentions a clock on the mantle above the fireplace in chapter 2
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12-12-2017, 08:14 AM | #43 |
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Re: "Medieval" fantasy with tech 2?
Right you are. So, clockworks, cork-stoppered bottles (I've been informed), fireworks, and a few other details here and there. I'd still call it TL 2 with the dwarves (and maybe Saruman?) advanced to TL 4 in engineering and a few isolated TL 3 developments. But TL 3, with slightly retarded weapons technology, might fit just as well.
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Re: "Medieval" fantasy with tech 2?
Yep there's a water mill it's owned by Ted Sandyman it gets an upgrade by "Sharkey", so basically ties into the "despoiling of bucolic England by nasty old industrialisation" motif
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are corks TL4? (didn't know that) Last edited by Tomsdad; 12-12-2017 at 08:41 AM. |
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Re: "Medieval" fantasy with tech 2?
Nice. I had no clue at all about that. Nice addition to any period campaign I may create. Thanks.
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12-12-2017, 04:27 PM | #46 |
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Nobody prior to 1721 knew what they were talking about?
That, notably includes the Romans, who you are talking about, who used neither word. The usage of "brass" in the KJB Old Testament cannot be refering to zinc alloys, since they didn't exist. I suppose it can be said that the translators didn't know what they were talking about, but they didn't have the option of using a word that didn't exist yet either. This seems like the confusion between corn, maize, and other grains when reading old documents. The contemporary distinctions of these words aren't necessarily applicable to historical documents. Last edited by sir_pudding; 12-12-2017 at 04:35 PM. |
12-12-2017, 06:35 PM | #47 |
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Re: "Medieval" fantasy with tech 2?
In terms of scientific chemistry this is largely true.
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Re: "Medieval" fantasy with tech 2?
In realistic terms, brass should have the same cost as bronze, or even higher in Roman settings. During the 3rd century A.D., the percentage of zinc in the brass used for money abitually exceeded a valor of 17%, and brass had six to eight times the value of copper. Tecniques to make brass from copper and zinc date at least to eight century B.C. (early TL2) and probably had their origin in the Iranian plateau.
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Sure, but that makes this modern technical jargon that doesn't apply to pre-modern (and even early modern) usages. Just like "corn" doesn't mean maise in historical sources, "brass" doesn't mean copper-zinc alloys.
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Interestingly, 'sonans' by itself is also 'gong,' but 'sonans aes' is 'brass, bronze.'
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