01-17-2011, 03:45 AM | #1 |
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Monster -> Magic Lamp -> Mate???
Ok, so I'm up against a Platinum Dragon (lvl 20, 5 treasures, lot'o'death).
I have a magic lamp in my hand, which I think will be swell, as I also have a +10 Ancient card in my hand that gives the monster 2 more treasures. I play the Ancient Card on the Dragon and then play the Magic Lamp to make him vanish and leave me with 7 treasures. So my friend plays Mate, and that's where we run into trouble. Has combat already ended if I play the Magic Lamp card? We have a five second rule to give the other players time to interfere with combat, but can he play mate if the monster has been evaporated? Also, do I get the +2 treasures from the Ancient card, since I didn't defeat the monster, but made it vanish? I see three possible outcomes: 1) I make the first lvl 30 monster vanish but his mate comes up and I need to run away or die. 2) I make the first lvl 30 monster vanish and my friend can't play the mate card and I get 5 treasures. 3) Same as number 2, but I get +2 treasures from Ancient. Which one is correct? I'm not sure if Magic Lamp ends combat immediately, without the possibility of interference from other players. |
01-17-2011, 07:31 AM | #2 | |
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Re: Monster -> Magic Lamp -> Mate???
Combat's not over, but the Monster is gone and can't be duplicated. He can add a Wandering Monster or something else, since you must give him time to stop you ending the combat advantageously, but he can't Mate or modify a Monster that's not there.
This situation is actually explicitly covered in the FAQ: Quote:
Last edited by MunchkinMan; 01-17-2011 at 08:24 AM. |
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01-17-2011, 07:49 AM | #3 |
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Re: Monster -> Magic Lamp -> Mate???
Using a magic lamp counts as defeating the monster, so you get all 7 treasures. It does not count as killing the monster, however, so you don't get levels. This is explained in the FAQ under Important Note #3.
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01-17-2011, 11:56 AM | #4 |
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Re: Monster -> Magic Lamp -> Mate???
Thanks, that helps clear things up.
One more thing, let me elaborate on my second question. I actually played the "Humongous" card, which is, I think, the same as the Ancient card. It says: "+10 to Level of Monster: Play during combat. If the monster is DEFEATED, draw 2 extra treasures." Does it count as defeating the monster if I use the magic lamp? |
01-17-2011, 12:02 PM | #5 |
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Re: Monster -> Magic Lamp -> Mate???
Yes, using the Magic Lamp counts as defeating the monster. Please read the Munchkin FAQ, which has a discussion of "defeat" vs. "kill" vs. "lose."
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01-17-2011, 12:04 PM | #6 |
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Re: Monster -> Magic Lamp -> Mate???
Yeah, I was about to edit my reply since I just read it in the FAQ.
Anyways, thanks for the help guys! You're the best! |
01-17-2011, 12:05 PM | #7 |
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Re: Monster -> Magic Lamp -> Mate???
Yup. So, as I said before: 7 Treasures. You make it Humongous and Ancient, 9 Treasures. I could go through all the list of Monster Enhancers, but most, if not all, of them say 1 or 2 more Treasures on a defeat, depending on whether they are +5 or +10 (though Undead gives +5, but 2 extra Treasures). As is covered in the FAQ, a kill is a type of defeat, but not the only kind.
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