11-13-2019, 01:21 AM | #21 |
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Re: 25mm Payload Rifle [Ultratech]
We did not. We had the 25mm, and a 10mm storm carbine each for the rest of the party. Buying these weapons was never an option; we would have had to take big risks to steal another one so we made do with what we had.
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11-13-2019, 07:56 AM | #22 | ||
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As an interesting point of comparison, when I look at the 40mm grenade launcher, range and accuracy drop dramatically, and choosing between a Payload riffle and a 40mm GL is an interesting decision. Looking at the ATK-H&K M29 from High Tech (page 145) and subtracting out the weight of the underbarrel carbine, it looks like the 25mm launcher should weigh 6 lbs or so. I could see reducing the weight a little with the reasoning that the tech is better, but not to 1.5 lbs. Such a 6 lb weapon is still superior to the riffle in most cases. Quote:
I still want a heavy grenade launcher that launches 64mm or 100mm warheads 400 yards. Or that gets 2000 yard ranges on 40mm warheads. Of course, those are arguably mortars.
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11-13-2019, 09:12 AM | #23 |
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Re: 25mm Payload Rifle [Ultratech]
Huh. So it does. That means that if you take a gauss minineedler and put viper needles (requires TL12) in it, they'll still do 1d(3) pi- damage, but move at all of 50 yards/s.
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11-13-2019, 09:29 AM | #24 | |
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11-13-2019, 09:43 AM | #25 | |
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11-13-2019, 01:12 PM | #26 | |
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However, you're quite right that 'low-powered cannon' does still mean a lot higher velocity than you'd expect to get from a short underbarrel device.
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11-13-2019, 03:54 PM | #27 | |
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11-14-2019, 09:28 PM | #28 |
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Re: 25mm Payload Rifle [Ultratech]
IIRC one of the advantages of the 25mm weapon (Apart from longer range and more flatter trajectory due to higher velocity than 40mm) is that collateral damage can be less as well (which might be desirable under certain ROE.. alot of time and effort is devised into making weapons that limit collateral damage without sacrificing lethality. Whether its tungsten micro shrapnel warheads or kinetic ginsu hellfire missiles. Alot of the weapon's utility (IRL at least) is determined by role/purpose and politics.
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11-14-2019, 10:17 PM | #29 |
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Re: 25mm Payload Rifle [Ultratech]
True, though I think that biochemical aerosol (sleep), shapecharge and tangler will be the default applications though. With a 2 yard radius, sleep rounds would incapacitate targets nearly as fast as tangler rounds, and would potentially incapacitate multiple people.
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11-15-2019, 07:28 AM | #30 |
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Re: 25mm Payload Rifle [Ultratech]
Okay. Try the AGS-17, with a 30x29mm grenade. It has a maximum range of 1700m. The 20x28mm grenade from the OICW project having a maximum range is perfectly within reason looking at that, and therefore so is the UT 25mm grenade. If it were fired from a lightweight launcher a case could be made for it having higher recoil than Rcl 3, but it's an underslung weapon so the total weapon system's weight is going to be 3.5+ pounds, and Rcl 3 seems reasonable (that the rules say you can mount it on a heavy pistol possibly not so much).
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