03-02-2013, 02:59 PM | #21 | |
Join Date: Jun 2005
Location: Lawrence, KS
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Re: Animal Handling specialization
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03-02-2013, 03:07 PM | #22 | |
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Re: Animal Handling specialization
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Sometimes a skill lets you know when and why you should do something, but requires a separate skill to actually use the tool needed to do so. |
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03-02-2013, 03:23 PM | #23 | |
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Re: Animal Handling specialization
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What tasks involving farm animals can you name that (a) are not required to be able to work the fields in the first place, (b) cannot be subsumed under Teamster (which I have proposed as a plausible added skill for a farmer), (c) cannot be viewed as simple enough for an IQ default (as in, a farm kid grows up knowing how to do them), and (d) are done by men and not women? Let's have a list, and then we can consider whether there are enough challenging tasks to justify having a different skill. Bill Stoddard |
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03-02-2013, 04:11 PM | #24 | |
Dog of Lysdexics
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Re: Animal Handling specialization
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Using Professional Skill (Farmer) wasn't originally my idea, though I do think it might be reasonable for it to exist but if it exists it most deftly not Farming/TL. I'm more than willing to say Crop rotation choices land sustainability would Fall under Farmer/TL But Choice of crop for market would not be but could fall into the hypothetical Professional Skill(Farmer). What about timing choice for slaughter vs raising for calves for replacement vs meat issues? Then there is all the issues of actually selling you cash crops and getting to to market, and arranging for you stall? |
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03-02-2013, 04:47 PM | #25 | |
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Re: Animal Handling specialization
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03-02-2013, 04:55 PM | #26 | |
Dog of Lysdexics
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Re: Animal Handling specialization
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And your analogy actually back this. Scaple probably not But there are surgery tools a Surgeon needs Electronic Operation (Medical) for. |
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03-02-2013, 06:11 PM | #27 |
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Re: Animal Handling specialization
Working fields with a hoe in fact is widely referred to as horticulture, as opposed to agriculture. Now horticulture ≠ Gardening, to be sure. But making hoeing count as Farming, when plowing does not, is just perverse. From ancient Greece up into the early twentieth century, plowing was the primary way Western farmers worked the soil. A skill ought to include knowing how to use the primary tool of the skill.
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03-02-2013, 07:58 PM | #28 | |
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Re: Animal Handling specialization
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I'm aware that there are farms that are more specialised, both now and in the past. But I don't know if that ought to be considered the default. And even in places where individual farmers don't have many animals per household, it's very possible that the animals of a given region are kept jointly and the job of herding them is rotated through the younger workers. Which still means that every farmer is going to end up knowing how to manage farm animals.
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03-02-2013, 08:23 PM | #29 | |
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Re: Animal Handling specialization
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A generic "farmer" entry in a list of jobs would not have that, because there have been many farmers who were not in that situation. Mesoamerican farmers had no domestic animals to speak of; Chinese farmers often didn't plow and didn't have space to keep grazing animals, and if they had swine, they probably kept them penned up; farmers in large parts of Africa couldn't keep cattle because of trypanosomiasis, and so on. Iceland, from what I've read, is at the other end of the distribution, have climate and vegetation that can most efficiently be exploited by keeping sheep. But that's a characteristic of some farmers, not of all or nearly all farmers worldwide. When you run your Icelandic campaign, designing a "farmer" template with more than just Farming makes perfect sense. Bill Stoddard |
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