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Old 03-30-2018, 11:08 PM   #1
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Default Armor Mastery and Inner Layers, Split DR, and Light Mail

Armor Mastery, Adventurers, p. 28, states: "Whenever you wear armor with DR 2+, raise its effective DR by 1."

Layered Armor, p. 109, states: "You can layer some armor, the inner layer adding its DR to that of the outer one (mail adds a flat DR instead of split DR). Permitted inner layers are light cloth or leather (+1 DR), heavy cloth (+2 DR), light mail (+2 DR), and mail (+3 DR). Permitted outer layers are anything with at least DR 3."

I have five questions:
  1. Does Armor Mastery increase both layer's DR? For example, does mail give +4 DR when layered below DR 6 Plate (which in turn is treated as DR 7)?
  2. Does it increase both DR ratings for split-DR armor? For example, does it raise mail's DR 4/2 to DR 5/3?
  3. Does light mail (DR 3/1) benefit from this trait?
  4. Is light mail permitted as an outer layer?
  5. Elven Mail is 4/4. Does it still only give +3 as an inner layer?

Thanks!

EDIT: Answers to #1 and #2 are almost certainly "no" and "yes." I should have checked DF 11: Power-Ups before posting, but it was super late and I was sleepy and headed for bed.

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Advantages: Damage Resistance 1 (Accessibility, Only in DR 2+ armor, -20%) [4].
So, it gives +1 to DR if armor of DR 2+ is being worn.
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Old 03-31-2018, 12:43 AM   #2
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Default Re: Armor Mastery and Inner Layers, Split DR, and Light Mail

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I have four questions:
I'm not Kromm, but this is how I've been running it...

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Does Armor Mastery increase both layer's DR?
No. Both layers are added together, then Armor Mastery* is added.

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Does it increase both DR ratings for split-DR armor? For example, does it raise mail's DR 4/2 to DR 5/3?
Yes.

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Does light mail (DR 3/1) benefit from this trait?
Yes.

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Is light mail permitted as an outer layer?
Yes.




* My reasons have to do with the way the ability was originally built for DF, knowing how this sausage was made gives some insight to the intent.
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Old 03-31-2018, 06:27 AM   #3
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Default Re: Armor Mastery and Inner Layers, Split DR, and Light Mail

I’d add an Asterisk to the first Light Mail question: There is a case one made for Light Mail getting 4/1 rather than 4/2. However, I’d go with 4/2.

I have a further question: Elven Mail is 4/4. Does it still only give +3 as an inner layer?
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Old 03-31-2018, 11:55 AM   #4
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I have a further question: Elven Mail is 4/4. Does it still only give +3 as an inner layer?
I suspect the answer is yes due to the way DFRPG is treating the heavier mail as the inner lining.
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Old 03-31-2018, 12:00 PM   #5
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Does Armor Mastery increase both layer's DR? For example, does mail give +4 DR when layered below DR 6 Plate (which in turn is treated as DR 7)?
There are never in GURPS 4E free points.

This advantage is buying +1 DR and a perk version of armour/suit familiarity.

I wouldn't allow it to get a free point of DR.

The DF equivalent powerup does not.
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Old 03-31-2018, 01:36 PM   #6
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Default Re: Armor Mastery and Inner Layers, Split DR, and Light Mail

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The DF equivalent powerup does not.
Good point. I should have checked DF 11: Power-Ups before posting, but it was super late and I sleepy and was headed for bed.

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Advantages: Damage Resistance 1 (Accessibility, Only in DR 2+ armor, -20%) [4].
That's a clear answer to question #1 and #2.
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That's a clear answer to question #1 and #2.
And 3. (IMO)
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