03-12-2012, 08:17 PM | #11 |
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Re: Pro- and counter- Pan-Sapient Rights Memetic Campaigns
One difference is that meat doesn't have convenient features to make and rescind arbitrarily broad or narrow scope mental changes, while synthetic minds presumably do. LAI-Bob comes with sliders and skins and mods and Undo/Redo functionality. When Meat-Bob needs to be adjusted after drawing breath, he gets a "Clockwork Orange" set piece.
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03-13-2012, 03:53 AM | #12 |
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Re: Pro- and counter- Pan-Sapient Rights Memetic Campaigns
Interesting. I didn't remember you paying so much attention to 'cosmic copyright' (sorry if the term sounds off, I'm not sure how else to describe it). Interestingly, this runs completely counter to Mark Twain's criticism of YHWH ('...could have made every one of them happy, yet never made a single happy one; [...] who created man without invitation, then tries to shuffle the responsibility for man's acts upon man'). I.e. you support the absolute right of a creator to do whatever it pleases to its work, even if said work is sapient. Am I correct?
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05-01-2012, 05:51 AM | #14 | |
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05-03-2012, 02:11 AM | #17 |
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Re: Pro- and counter- Pan-Sapient Rights Memetic Campaigns
Here is what I'd say is the "standard argument" against giving SAIs the same rights as humans:
Humans evolved over a time span of millions of years. We know how they function and how they interact with each other. All societies, all institutions, all legal systems are built on a human baseline - and even so, there are still plenty of problems, even though humans are such a "tried and true" model. SAIs, on the other hand, are a brand new species. Sure, the current generations act fairly similar to humans - but that's because we designed them that way. If we grant them full civil rights - including the right to self-modification - they could become anything, and they could create so many offspring on extremely short time scales that they would likely evolve into something very strange indeed, and crowd us biosapients out. Now maybe I am a bit pessimistic. Still, do we want to take that chance? As soon as the stop placing any restrictions on SAIs, they will become the new dominant life form in the solar system - and I don't want to start down that path until I am really sure what happens afterward. So, by all means, let's take it slow - let's observe SAIs for a few centuries before we do anything hasty... and irreversible.
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05-03-2012, 02:31 AM | #18 |
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Re: Pro- and counter- Pan-Sapient Rights Memetic Campaigns
They are still very crude methods, adding to the moral hazard of sapient GMOs. If I do a bad job adjusting the attitude of LAI-Bob, I can click "Undo" and he's all better. If I do a bad job working in the attitude tendencies of Meat-Bob, I've created life-long difficulties for him and his cohort. The price of failure in human and parahuman suffering is much greater in one case than the other, so there can be no real ethical equivalency.
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05-07-2012, 11:21 AM | #19 |
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Re: Pro- and counter- Pan-Sapient Rights Memetic Campaigns
The law does not recognise Memetics as a credible theory of scient and therefore cannot be pro or counter to Memetic theory.
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05-07-2012, 01:02 PM | #20 |
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Re: Pro- and counter- Pan-Sapient Rights Memetic Campaigns
THS doesn't recognize memetics? Where does it say that? We already have laws against inciting violence, suicide, etc. through simple communication. Why would it suddenly become legal when it becomes far more effective?
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