Playing Hostel Cards

JayRay · 08-08-2010, 11:11 AM

I just played Munchkin for the first time at GenCon this past weekend and had a great time. As a result, I purchased the game and played a game with some friends right away. However, a question came up while playing that we weren't sure how to handle. Hopefully someone here can straighten it out.

One friend currently was level 8, went looking for trouble and brought out a monster he could easily defeat. He asked if we would be playing anything and we said we wouldn't since one point wouldn't let him win. We hadn't noticed, however that he had changed his class to Orc and, because he defeated the monster by more than 10 levels he would get a bonus point. Once he announced that two people wanted to play cards to buff the monster he was encountering, while the other two players thought that it was to late.

So my question from the above situation is, when new information is announced for the result of a fight can players react and play hostel cards to attempt to block the outcome?

I love the game and can't wait to play more, but I think this situation could come up a lot so I wanted to know the right way to handle it.

Nakiro · 08-08-2010, 11:48 AM

Here's what the rules say about this.

"But note: someone may play a hostile card on you, or use a special power, just as you think you have won. When you kill a monster, you must wait a reasonable time, defined as about 2.6 seconds, for anyone else to speak up. After that, you have really killed the monster, and you really get the level(s) and treasure, though they can still whine and argue."

You never mention when you guys noticed that he switched to an Orc class.

morleydotes · 08-08-2010, 11:50 AM

Once he announced that he changed the formula of the combat, I would have allowed other players to play their cards. However, if he had not announced it, you lose.

In the spirit of the game, you let folks know that your changing races, while your doing it. IF they miss it, their problem. Once it's down you don't have to tell them what you are, you just can't hide it.

Pat

Genpin · 08-08-2010, 01:59 PM

That's a common problem with the Orc and the Cowboy with a steed (from "The Good the Bad and the Munchkin" core game) the "new" cards that change the winning conditions are normally forgotten by new players...
However, one cannot lie when asked "what amount of levels/treasures are you gaining from that combat?"

Nerftw · 08-08-2010, 02:41 PM

That's why I like the "Declare that you're winning the game and give everyone a chance to respond" method. Simply saying "I beat the monster" and THEN declaring "I WIN!" after clearing all the cards from combat is pretty low.

As it stands, though, saying "I'm not going to stop you" isn't a binding condition if the terms of combat change, which they certainly did when the Orc card was remembered. Just like thinking you're losing and then remembering you have a bonus you forgot about. People should be given a chance to react to the "new" conditions, even if they were just forgotten about.

Andrew Hackard · 08-08-2010, 10:21 PM

You should tell other players when you are changing your Class or Race (or any other pertinent information that might inform their decisions), since your Class and Race -- and any other cards in play -- are public information. Similarly, if someone asks what your abilities are, you're required to give them an honest and complete answer.

In this case, the stealth change of Race means that once the Orc player was required to give the rest of the group another chance to interfere in his fight, once they learned it was for the win.

sir_pudding · 08-09-2010, 01:11 PM

The OP means "Hostile", yes? Or is there some Munchkin slang here I'm not getting (Dungeons, maybe?)?

MunchkinMan · 08-09-2010, 01:31 PM

I assumed so, as well, as there aren't any dormitory style rental accommodations in Munchkin.

Andrew Hackard · 08-09-2010, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

The OP means "Hostile", yes? Or is there some Munchkin slang here I'm not getting (Dungeons, maybe?)?

Yes, I'm sure he did. Was there a reason you pointed to his error other than for your own amusement?

sir_pudding · 08-09-2010, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew Hackard

Yes, I'm sure he did. Was there a reason you pointed to his error other than for your own amusement?

In case there was some slang-ish thing I was missing. Perhaps there are certain cards that players refer to as "Hostel" cards for some reason. He makes the mistake consistently in the OP which makes it seem deliberate. Someone even tagged the thread "hostel cards". It could be similar to the use of the word "tap" to describe placing items in your pack, for instance.

My apologies if I gave offense.

08-08-2010, 11:11 AM	#1
JayRay Join Date: Aug 2010	Playing Hostel Cards I just played Munchkin for the first time at GenCon this past weekend and had a great time. As a result, I purchased the game and played a game with some friends right away. However, a question came up while playing that we weren't sure how to handle. Hopefully someone here can straighten it out. One friend currently was level 8, went looking for trouble and brought out a monster he could easily defeat. He asked if we would be playing anything and we said we wouldn't since one point wouldn't let him win. We hadn't noticed, however that he had changed his class to Orc and, because he defeated the monster by more than 10 levels he would get a bonus point. Once he announced that two people wanted to play cards to buff the monster he was encountering, while the other two players thought that it was to late. So my question from the above situation is, when new information is announced for the result of a fight can players react and play hostel cards to attempt to block the outcome? I love the game and can't wait to play more, but I think this situation could come up a lot so I wanted to know the right way to handle it.

08-08-2010, 11:48 AM	#2
Nakiro MIB Join Date: Aug 2010	Re: Playing Hostel Cards Here's what the rules say about this. "But note: someone may play a hostile card on you, or use a special power, just as you think you have won. When you kill a monster, you must wait a reasonable time, defined as about 2.6 seconds, for anyone else to speak up. After that, you have really killed the monster, and you really get the level(s) and treasure, though they can still whine and argue." You never mention when you guys noticed that he switched to an Orc class.

08-08-2010, 11:50 AM	#3
morleydotes Moderator Emeritus Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Salem, OR.	Re: Playing Hostel Cards Once he announced that he changed the formula of the combat, I would have allowed other players to play their cards. However, if he had not announced it, you lose. In the spirit of the game, you let folks know that your changing races, while your doing it. IF they miss it, their problem. Once it's down you don't have to tell them what you are, you just can't hide it. Pat __________________ Salem Midnight Crew / MIB 1987 Or the Wrong MIB. Salem Cell leader, for the clueless in Oregon. Ahhhh... I see the Screw-Up Fairy has visited us again. Closed Captioned for the Humor Impaired

08-08-2010, 01:59 PM	#4
Genpin MIB Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Buenos Aires, Argentina	Re: Playing Hostel Cards That's a common problem with the Orc and the Cowboy with a steed (from "The Good the Bad and the Munchkin" core game) the "new" cards that change the winning conditions are normally forgotten by new players... However, one cannot lie when asked "what amount of levels/treasures are you gaining from that combat?"

08-08-2010, 02:41 PM	#5
Nerftw Join Date: May 2010	Re: Playing Hostel Cards That's why I like the "Declare that you're winning the game and give everyone a chance to respond" method. Simply saying "I beat the monster" and THEN declaring "I WIN!" after clearing all the cards from combat is pretty low. As it stands, though, saying "I'm not going to stop you" isn't a binding condition if the terms of combat change, which they certainly did when the Orc card was remembered. Just like thinking you're losing and then remembering you have a bonus you forgot about. People should be given a chance to react to the "new" conditions, even if they were just forgotten about.

08-08-2010, 10:21 PM	#6
Andrew Hackard *Munchkin* Line Editor Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Austin, TX	Re: Playing Hostel Cards You should tell other players when you are changing your Class or Race (or any other pertinent information that might inform their decisions), since your Class and Race -- and any other cards in play -- are public information. Similarly, if someone asks what your abilities are, you're required to give them an honest and complete answer. In this case, the stealth change of Race means that once the Orc player was required to give the rest of the group another chance to interfere in his fight, once they learned it was for the win. __________________ Andrew Hackard, *Munchkin* Line Editor If you have a question that isn't getting answered, we have a thread for that. Let people like what they like. Don't be a gamer hater. #PlayMunchkin on social media: Twitter \|\| Facebook \|\| Instagram \|\| YouTube Follow us on Kickstarter: Steve Jackson Games and Warehouse 23

08-09-2010, 01:11 PM	#7
sir_pudding Wielder of Smart Pants Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Ventura CA	Re: Playing Hostel Cards The OP means "Hostile", yes? Or is there some Munchkin slang here I'm not getting (Dungeons, maybe?)?

08-09-2010, 01:31 PM	#8
MunchkinMan Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Macungie, PA	Re: Playing Hostel Cards I assumed so, as well, as there aren't any dormitory style rental accommodations in Munchkin. __________________ Erik D. Zane *Munchkin* NetRep -- munchkin@sjgames.com MiB #1029