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Old 11-25-2017, 08:58 PM   #311
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That would likely do nasty things to the Red Sea and the Suez Canal, so messing up a lot more than "just" Muslim holy lands.
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Old 11-25-2017, 10:38 PM   #312
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That would likely do nasty things to the Red Sea and the Suez Canal, so messing up a lot more than "just" Muslim holy lands.
If it's only on the scale of the Tunguska Event, Mecca is far enough inland for the Red Sea to be unaffected..
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Old 11-25-2017, 11:11 PM   #313
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Inland enough for the equivalent of a 10+ megaton explosion?

Oh, Mecca's further from the coast than I thought. Cursory looks at large maps can distort impressions for a human scale.
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Old 11-26-2017, 11:36 AM   #314
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Would such a Tungunska-sized strike on Mecca also level Medina, the nearby second most holy city in Islam?


An interesting addition to this seed (or any other with a Tungunska style twentieth century asteroid strike) - have there not be the actual Tungunska blast. It was just another day in 1908 Siberia.

This would mean nothing to the locals, but Homeline & other outtimers would notice the difference. It could indicate that something held up the asteroid, somehow delaying (or speeding up, if before 1908) and targeting it on Earth. Something, or someone, very powerful.
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Old 11-26-2017, 11:48 AM   #315
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It would have been mostly a big shrug to the rest of the world. The Kaaba would remain, and there is nothing in Mecca that could not be rebuilt. Now, if it happened after the Saudis took over Mecca in 1932, then it could have been seen as proof that Allah had rejected the holding of Mecca by the Saudis and had rejected the Wahhabi sect that the Saudis had allied with. If that was the interpretation of the rest of the Muslim world held, they might have launched a jihad against the Saudis in order to liberate the ruins of Mecca from the Wahhabi heretics. The end result would have been the destruction of the Wahhabi sect and their Saudi supporters, meaning that the liberal Islamic movements would have not been killed off during the 1950s and 1960s.

By the 2010s, the Middle East might be considered the equivalent of Europe in culture and sophistication, with Islam being considered a quaint tradition by the Arab and Persians, as the majority of the population of the Middle East would be liberal Moslims, and their governments would have been spreading liberal attitudes throughout the Islamic world with the easy money from their oil reserves for decades. You might not have had the dictatorships of the second half of the 20th century, meaning that there would have been more investment in industry and more economic equality. With access to birth control and contraception, the population of the Middle East might be 50% less than in our world, meaning that the population might be equal in per capita income to the USA. It might have been a much better world for everyone, especially the inhabitants of the Middle East, as they would have everything that they desired, including a liberal religious tradition.
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Would such a Tungunska-sized strike on Mecca also level Medina, the nearby second most holy city in Islam?
No. Medina is 210 miles away. Tunguska knocked down trees up to about 20 miles away. It would break some windows in Medina, but that's about the limit.
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An interesting addition to this seed (or any other with a Tungunska style twentieth century asteroid strike) - have there not be the actual Tungunska blast. It was just another day in 1908 Siberia.

This would mean nothing to the locals, but Homeline & other outtimers would notice the difference. It could indicate that something held up the asteroid, somehow delaying (or speeding up, if before 1908) and targeting it on Earth. Something, or someone, very powerful.
It could mean that, or more plausibly, some chance event in the asteroid belt a few million years ago happened slightly differently.
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Old 11-26-2017, 03:32 PM   #317
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Would such a Tungunska-sized strike on Mecca also level Medina, the nearby second most holy city? l.
Medina is some distance from Mecca. Farther away from Mecca than the coast.
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No. Medina is 210 miles away. Tunguska knocked down trees up to about 20 miles away. It would break some windows in Medina, but that's about the limit.

It could mean that, or more plausibly, some chance event in the asteroid belt a few million years ago happened slightly differently.
Plausible isn't a close parallel of the early 20th century. The anthro-conceit of the Infinity setting is that humans are by far the biggest reason for differences as well as similarities between realities.

Once in a while, it's nice. But too often leads to confusion among players on what is and is not important for the game. Chekhov's gun.
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It would have been mostly a big shrug to the rest of the world. The Kaaba would remain, and there is nothing in Mecca that could not be rebuilt.
The Kaaba would be turned to powder by a Tunguska type event.
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Old 11-26-2017, 03:51 PM   #320
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Couldn't it survive an air burst Tunguska event in the same manner as how a few structures at ground zero survive nukes?
Now while we know why that happens, it would cause a major stir among everyone in 1908 as an obvious miracle.
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