Rapid Healing and Regeneration

[Johnny Angel]

Why not just say that Regeneration does not automatically include Very Rapid Healing?

[Ulzgoroth]

Originally Posted by Johnny Angel

Why not just say that Regeneration does not automatically include Very Rapid Healing?

That's already the case.

Did you mean Regeneration does not include Rapid Healing? I don't think that's enough to justify VRH.

[Crakkerjakk]

Originally Posted by Johnny Angel

Why not just say that Regeneration does not automatically include Very Rapid Healing?

Without your suggestion, by price:

RH HT+5 to regain 1 HP/day if resting
Regen 2HP/day + HT+5 to regain 1 HP/day if resting
VRH HT+5 to regain 2 HP/day if resting.

With your suggestion, by price:

RH HT+5 to regain 1 HP/day if resting
Regen 2HP/day + HT to regain 1HP/day if resting
VRH HT+5 to regain 2 HP/day if resting.

2 HP/day with no roll is better than 2 HP/day if you're resting AND you make your HT roll, with or without the bonus.

[Johnny Angel]

Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

That's already the case.

Did you mean Regeneration does not include Rapid Healing? I don't think that's enough to justify VRH.

yes, that's what I meant; thanks

Originally Posted by Crakkerjakk

Without your suggestion, by price:

RH HT+5 to regain 1 HP/day if resting
Regen 2HP/day + HT+5 to regain 1 HP/day if resting
VRH HT+5 to regain 2 HP/day if resting.

With your suggestion, by price:

RH HT+5 to regain 1 HP/day if resting
Regen 2HP/day + HT to regain 1HP/day if resting
VRH HT+5 to regain 2 HP/day if resting.

2 HP/day with no roll is better than 2 HP/day if you're resting AND you make your HT roll, with or without the bonus.

It still seems like a good place to start.

[Crakkerjakk]

Originally Posted by Johnny Angel

It still seems like a good place to start.

Meh, I think I prefer inverting the prices to messing with the mechanics. As it stands the mechanics are nice and neat. I'd rather just change some point costs as opposed to figuring out what I need to add to VRH or take away from Regen in order to make everything balance. And besides, it makes thematic sense that someone who heals quickly get a bonus to HP recovery checks.

[Johnny Angel]

Originally Posted by Crakkerjakk

Meh, I think I prefer inverting the prices to messing with the mechanics. As it stands the mechanics are nice and neat. I'd rather just change some point costs as opposed to figuring out what I need to add to VRH or take away from Regen in order to make everything balance. And besides, it makes thematic sense that someone who heals quickly get a bonus to HP recovery checks.

Totally understandable...




For me, the easiest solution seems to be this:

Rapid Healing, 5 points; still functions as stated (1 HP with roll)

Very Rapid Healing, 10 points; still functions as stated (2 HP with roll)

Slow Regeneration, 15 Points; no longer is assumed to include Rapid Healing (2 HP without roll; possibly 3 with roll)


There's minimal change to the mechanics, and the point cost is slightly changed. It's an easy solution which is easy to explain to a player (especially a new player.) It's also a nice progression of 1 HP, then 2 HP, and then potentially 3 HP which also coincides with the point progression of 5, 10, and 15.

[Edges]

There's a lot of good ideas on this thread. I'm going to go with splitting the mundane advantages up differently and changing the cost of regen. I'm adding it to my house rules.

New Advantages:

Good Healer. You are more likely to recover on any give day of rest. Add a +1 per level to your HT roll to recover lost HP naturally. Cost 1pt/level

Rapid Healer. You recover from wounds at twice the normal rate. Double the amount of HP you recover from any natural healing (including healing through regeneration). Cost 10 pts.

Regeneration (Slow). You recover 1 HP per 12 hours. No additional benefit. Cost 15 pts.

Thanks guys for the inspiration.

Ah.. ninjad

[Dinadon]

Originally Posted by trooper6

Here's the thing. Players can't just make up whatever they want and have it go through without the GM giving the thumbs up.

Let's go back to the book, B32:
Exotic advantages are traits that ordinary humans cannot have without ultra-tech body modification or similar tampering; for instance, extra arms or death-ray vision. Nonhumans will often have exotic advantages on a racial basis, but this does not entitle them to add such traits freely. You need the GM’s permission to add exotic traits that do not appear on
your racial template (see Chapter 7). Exotic advantages are marked [Alien Head].

and let's go back to the guidance on Modifiers, B101:
The GM has the final say as to which traits you can modify, and in what ways. Some combinations make no sense (imagine Unaging with the Limited Use limitation!), others have potential for abuse, and still others might not suit the campaign.

Have you read the Special Exercises perk? It can let you take exotic advantages in mundane, realistic games, and is classed as an Unusual Background perk. Striking ST is one of the example advantages. You could already raise your damage by just raising ST. The effect of Striking ST isn't out of reach of someone in a realistic game, and it isn't implausible for them to get Striking ST either.

So why is a modified slow regen that has been made to work exactly the same as VRH something entirely different to VRH? Oh, and please answer the question I've asked. In my last post I made no mention of genre, and this question has no mention of genre. It also has no question of points total. It just asks if two things do the same thing, are they the same thing?

[Vaevictis Asmadi]

Originally Posted by Edges

New Advantages:

Good Healer. You are more likely to recover on any give day of rest. Add a +1 per level to your HT roll to recover lost HP naturally. Cost 1pt/level

Rapid Healer. You recover from wounds at twice the normal rate. Double the amount of HP you recover from any natural healing (including healing through regeneration). Cost 10 pts.

I really like these. Good jidea making rapid Healing level-able! But you left out the bonus to getting over crippling injuries. I think regular Rapid Healing is priced reasonably, so I'd ad +1/lv to Good Healer.

I also agree about the 5-10-15 pt and 0/1-0/2-2/3 HP progressions.

[NineDaysDead]

Originally Posted by Edges

Ah.. ninjad

By over 2 years!