04-28-2017, 05:28 PM | #21 |
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Re: [Basic] Realistic Low Tech Challengers
Sparta went down to early imperial Roman legions, not big users of skirmishers either.
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04-29-2017, 08:14 AM | #22 |
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Re: [Basic] Realistic Low Tech Challengers
Vegetius says something about legionaries being required to train with slings.
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04-29-2017, 08:16 AM | #23 |
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There was one battle where they were defeated by peltasts but it was specifically because they were without their own skirmishers on that occasion. Usually the Spartans used peltasts and psiloi just like everyone else.
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04-29-2017, 08:22 AM | #24 |
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The problem with this argument is that textile armour weighs more than bronze armour. The whole point of going to the trouble and expense of using metal to make armour is that it weighs less than any other available material. We know that the Greeks moved away from metal armour in favour of leather and textiles but it wasn't to reduce weight.
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04-29-2017, 08:35 AM | #25 |
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By the time they faced the legions they were long past their prime. Besides, the triplex acies system was just superior to the phalanxes used by the Spartans.
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04-29-2017, 08:57 AM | #27 |
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Huh? The Romans were extensive users of skirmishers. They called the troops Velites and they weren't even auxiliaries: they were part of the legion proper. They needed them because the purpose of the roman cavalry was to distract other people's cavalry while the infantry did all the real work. When that's who you have for Calvary, you need good skirmishers. Or at least decent ones, and the Romans had them.
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04-29-2017, 10:58 AM | #28 |
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Velites ceased to exist by the end of the Samnite wars. Before the introduction of the gladius and pilum and the organization of stereotypical legions in the mid-republican period.
They realized the folly of not having skirmisher during the second Punic war, and rushed out to hire Cretan archers and Balearic slingers. |
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