04-11-2017, 08:19 AM | #911 | |
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But the point is taken: a store that gets only one or two preorders might not stock something past that; a store that gets half a dozen is likely to stock the product more deeply.
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04-11-2017, 08:27 AM | #912 |
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For me, I learn of new releases through the various RPG related forums, social media groups and YouTube channels I subscribe to.
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04-11-2017, 08:34 AM | #913 | ||||
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Mind you, some PDFs aren't that successful, and the long-term consequences for the GURPS market of not having paper in the shops are a whole other other worry. But not hitting the top 40 isn't necessarily a disaster in itself. Quote:
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Against distributor stupidity, the gods themselves contend in vain. It doesn't matter how much fan enthusiasm you stir up in advance if the intermediate links in the chain are rusted through. I'm not convinced that all the retailers have picked up on the product, mind - I was at a convention over the weekend, and there were con-going hobbyist roleplayers there who didn't know it existed - but even there, I wonder how much of the problem lies at the distribution level. Frankly, I suspect that SJGames should bite the bullet and put the thing out on PDF sooner rather than later. Being nice to the retail system doesn't accomplish much if that system is dying on its feet.
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04-11-2017, 08:55 AM | #914 | |
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04-11-2017, 09:08 AM | #915 | |
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If I didn't back the Dungeon Fantasy KickStarter I wouldn't have known about the hardbacks finally being released. I was mostly interested in Discworld but I believe (and I might be wrong) that that book has been talked about for a couple years. I don't think the issue is that there isn't a market for hardcover GURPS books. I think, respectfully, you guys aren't serving the market well. Do you guys run GURPS events at conventions? Is there away for fans to set up for smaller conventions and you guys to support it? (Tweeting out the events, posting it on the website, etc) You had two physical products that were released but we really didn't have any excitement around it. Even the release date was shady and like other posters have said they are extremely hard to purchase in some places. I know it's hard from a financial end to look at the results and made a decision either to invest enough resources in to making a real go at it or continue to drag your foot in the water and see if it picks up. There used to be the SJ Games YouTube interviews and I think having those for new physical products would have been a sure thing. Or at least let Douglas Cole do a Firing Squad interview. I also think the GURPS fan base holds some blame because it's so confined to this forum. The GURPS forum here is very active but we need to be more active over at other places. I ran a demo for Discworld at my FLGS and only 2 people showed up but while we were there we have people just looking into the game while we played. My biggest take away is that my group should look at playing in a local shop once and a while so we are visible. I'm going to schedule and run some games at GameHole Con in Madison WI, Nexus in Milwaukee WI and next year I'm going to run Dungeon Fantasy at GaryCon. Summing up: When physical products release use the tools you have to let us know. And it cannot just be postings on the website and KS pages. But use things like YouTube, Reddit, FaceBook, RPG.net, theRPGSite, etc. These cost nothing but can help. It also gives us something to share. Make it easier for your players to get the word out about their activities. Support convention play! Get the word out online when there are games schedule at conventions! Run demos at the major cons! I am going to run games at local cons and I don't need any actual product support but if I could send an e-mail or something and get you guys to post the link to the event sign up, I'd appreciate it so I can make sure my games fill. Last year at GameHole Con my events filled up because I was the only game in town. I'm hoping somebody else signs up to run some events this year. Especially because Dungeon Fantasy will be hot off the presses! |
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04-11-2017, 09:50 AM | #916 | |
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Personally, I keep an eye on the sites where I have a history and post at those sites when appropriate. Some sites -- therpgsite.com -- are places I have never joined, and jumping in just to shill is something I want to avoid. The sites I have personally been a part of and used for well over a decade come down to: RPG.net, ENWorld, and BGG. This is where we ask for assistance -- fans, MIBs, other staff -- and hope that those who wish to see our games spread get out there and talk to others.
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04-11-2017, 11:24 AM | #917 |
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Oh! That's good to know. Here's hoping that Dungeon Fantasy gets some traction at retailers, and that some fraction of new folks who pick it up will then look for the GURPS basic set.
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04-11-2017, 11:25 AM | #918 |
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I'm kinda surprised to hear it was a bad year, as from where I was sitting everything looked great. Ogre's back, Ogre Minis and Munchkin Shakespeare shattered my expectations, I've yet to meet someone who didn't like Simon's Cat...
But I suppose behind the scenes can be and is a totally different animal. For GURPS specifically, I'm left wondering if DriveThru print-on-demand wouldn't ameliorate the "a subset of dedicated fans want hardcovers, but not enough to make a print run commercially viable".
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I wish I could have done more, but toward the end I started breaking down. I've got a better plan for marketing the stuff locally after it's released so I don't work myself into the ground . . . but I'm just one guy. If we cold get every passionate GURPSer to put in even a 1/4 of the effort in non-GURPS places we could do a lot. Quote:
I've only encountered one other CCG the US Navy unofficially approves of: Magic the Gathering. I was told recently by a QM friend of mine that one of the carriers bought a crap ton of munchkin sets for deployment. There is no one I've met gaming or otherwise who hasn't heard of Munchkin. In fact, this is how I explain what I do. "You heard of the Munchking card game?" "Yeah! That's great fun." "I freelance for that company's RPG line." "Dude, that's awesome." So...yeah. That seems like a powerhouse to me.
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04-11-2017, 11:49 AM | #920 |
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I think Phil's point is that Munchkin isn't a CCG in the usual sense. It's a card game with a bunch of expansions, but it's not collectible the way Magic or Yu-Gi-Oh are collectible.
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