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Nice templates. But I would cancel most of "for All elves" list of advantages and decide it is just magic. As in the books they seem to use it with ease or in manner wich different from the human way (incantation etc...) I would use a custom form of magic for them that would be more instinctive (may be based on Per rather than IQ for example, see Magic 4th ed for suggestions) and high levels of magery and connect it with th epower of the silmarils (Noldor have more magery than Sindar and Sindar mor than Sylvan). I would leave magery 0 for dunadans and maybe half-elves. As young elves have already lived for at least a century, that leave them a lot of time to master their skills, so high spell skills would'nt be suprising.
About bonus to IQ, I agree to say that not all elves seem to be near genius, but they all recaive a high leve of education and again, they have long lifetime, even the young. As GURPS IQ is not only raw brain power but also education and general knowledge, I think elves deserves this IQ bonus. About ST, elves ahve a slender build and are not accustomed to physical labor as humans and dwarf do. This justifies for a -1 adjutment in my opinion, except maybe for the Noldor, though I think the power of the silmarils have more to do with body HT and magical power than physical build. Last edited by Twyll; 06-28-2007 at 04:05 PM. |
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What I meant about Curufin (in War of the Jewels) is that Curufin didn't kill Eol, because the Eldar had laws against killing in revenge for any reason, no matter what the other person had done - even abducting and raping your cousin! And Tolkien goes on "Curufin could have slain Eol (as he greatly wished!) ... But this would have been in Eldarin law and sentiment murder..." although later after Eol murders Aredhel, Turgon does have him killed. Quote:
"They were, it seems, filled with an inherited bitterness against the Eldar, who they regarded as deserters of their kin, and in Beleriand this feeling was increased by envy... and by resentment of their lordliness." In this passage the Nandor and Avari are both being described. "Inherited" I take to mean culturally taught, not inherited in the blood. Also "They were actually unfriendly to the Noldor, and jealous of their more exalted kin, whom they accused of arrogance." Most of them called themselves "Elves" and the Eldar "Deserters", in their various languages. Quote:
In terms of HT, this may be harder. They can survive and recover from serious wounds, but they can still be killed in battle, even by orcs. On the other hand Calaquendi, at least, seem to be quite tough and difficult to take down. More than sheer hit points in the face of injury, they seem to be enduring and tireless, able to exert themselves a great deal, or go for a long time without food or water, before weakening. I'd keep their average Strength at 10, but give them a lot of extra FP. Quote:
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Elves can become "besotted with wine" as well, if we believe the words of Angrod in the Silmarillion. The Ambidextrous thing is something for which I do not own the text. It is in a document which was published in the periodical Parma Eldalamberon, which somebody on the Tolkien mailing list mentioned. I tend to agree with you that they would not be ambidextrous in every way, but they can write with both hands. This is something which is in the linguistic research of people who study the elvish languages, and although I read some of what the linguists have to say in their writings, I don't have copies of most of the linguistic texts that they study. It is a text concerning the different alphabets they had, which were designed to be legible either left to right or right to left, or even written boustrophically which means alternating lines start at the right or the left. This was Feanor's invention, after the first elf to invent writing made it in vertical columns, like Chinese. |
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And to magery... think of the huge number of spells, such as flinging fireballs, healing wounds instantly, casting Gates, that can be cast with high Magery. When has an elf ever flung fireballs or teleported people by magic gates? That kind of magic doesn't even exist in Middle-Earth, except as something that Maiar and Valar might do. Quote:
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As for strength... Tolkien once wrote (in Letters you can read it) of his irritation that people kept thinking that Legolas is girly. He wrote that legolas is strong and graceful, tall and lithe as a young willow, and not at all girly. Many elves were strong and deadly warriors. Being slender hasn't got a thing to do with being strong. And as for physical labor... they did all sorts of things. Hunting, hiking, smithing swords and armor, fighting with swords and bows and axes, mining and quarrying, carving stuff, climbing trees, building boats and ships, building huge buildings made of stone blocks...also several individuals such as Beleg and Angrod are described specifically as being very strong. Last edited by Vaevictis Asmadi; 06-28-2007 at 04:34 PM. |
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But Luthien had weird powers, she was half Maia. I would not use her as a yardstick for what elves in general are capable of. Skilled elven bards do have the ability, while they sing, to conjure in the minds of their audiences visions of the stories they weave in song. But that (along with Galadriel's trick in the Fellowship of the Ring) is psionic, not magical. There is an essay which Tolkien wrote about telepathy, and what is and is not possible in Arda, and what elves can do with it, but unfortunately it was published in a periodical which I don't have (and I need to buy it). There is some stuff about telepathy in War of the Jewels however. Quote:
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About the Silmarils, the books said their power changed the elves who lived in their light : their more powerfull, healthier, fairer ....
About magic, spell lists can be and must be limited by GMs according to the cmapaign you're running. It is a basic job that is done in every GURPS fantasy campaign book. So no fireballs, no gates, no resurrection... A LotR campaign would obviously need some tuning as magic is very special and dangerous (remember the Eye of Sauron) to use. About DX, I think more than +1 is abused for a racial templates. Elves are not cats, and they aren't all able to sprint on tree branches. About IQ, don't misunderstand maturity with age, these are definitely different. A kid aged 50 will have a broader knowledge than a kid aged 10 and probably a human aged 30. |
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