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Old 10-02-2018, 06:27 PM   #3671
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In Granada-1, the Reconquista failed due to the support of the Emirate of Granada by the French against the unified forces of Aragon and Castile. With the defeat of the armies of Aragon and Castile during the War of Granada in 1483, the French invaded the Crown of Aragon and, with Ferdinand II dying in the defense of Aragon in 1488, the French gained control of his former territories. Queen Isabella I sued for peace and, five years later, the Iberian Peninsula is dominated by the French. The French allow Granada to serve as a useful weapon against Castile, but they otherwise ignore the Muslim nation.
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Old 10-03-2018, 02:51 AM   #3672
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In Granada-1, the Reconquista failed due to the support of the Emirate of Granada by the French against the unified forces of Aragon and Castile. With the defeat of the armies of Aragon and Castile during the War of Granada in 1483, the French invaded the Crown of Aragon and, with Ferdinand II dying in the defense of Aragon in 1488, the French gained control of his former territories. Queen Isabella I sued for peace and, five years later, the Iberian Peninsula is dominated by the French. The French allow Granada to serve as a useful weapon against Castile, but they otherwise ignore the Muslim nation.
Given the importance of the Pope in that era, I can see the French here being more concerned than usual during any Papal elections. A Castillian cardinal becoming Pope could be quite nasty for them, here, and Isabella would be all for that.
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Old 10-03-2018, 05:26 AM   #3673
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Given the importance of the Pope in that era, I can see the French here being more concerned than usual during any Papal elections. A Castillian cardinal becoming Pope could be quite nasty for them, here, and Isabella would be all for that.
The Borgias were Spanish, it is a large part of why they were so deeply hated. That they were fairly monstrous was par for the course in Italian period politics. The Spanish crown loathed the Borgias, and the French conquest of mutual foes might bring smiles to Borgia faces. Italians in this period tended to be anti-Spanish because Spain ruled much of Italy and liked pushing Italians around.
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Old 10-04-2018, 12:13 PM   #3674
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The Borgias were Spanish, it is a large part of why they were so deeply hated. That they were fairly monstrous was par for the course in Italian period politics. The Spanish crown loathed the Borgias, and the French conquest of mutual foes might bring smiles to Borgia faces. Italians in this period tended to be anti-Spanish because Spain ruled much of Italy and liked pushing Italians around.
A German or English Pope is an option, though (and I don't think the Borjas/Borgias are the only Popes from Spain, either).
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Old 10-04-2018, 02:20 PM   #3675
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A Polish pope would also be a possibility as a compromise candidate.
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Old 10-05-2018, 07:52 AM   #3676
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Given the time period, an English Pope allows for some interesting historical possibilities. Cardinal Wolsey might make an interesting choice for pope. He came close more than once and he was friendly to Spain but friendlier to the main chance and keeping his patron Henry VIII happy, or something like it.
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Old 10-05-2018, 05:03 PM   #3677
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Try this one...

Homeline has noted a Cabalist cell is active on a Q6 world that is an echo of Homeline in the year 1830. Wilson Lumpkin, the proud author of the Indian Removal Act is dead decades early. Andrew Jackson, who in Homeline's history waited to veto the Mayfield Road Bill until after he had the Indian Removal Act in hand and signed (a brutal betrayal of dozens of supporters) has sent in his Veto early. In fact, the veto is announced just ahead of the vote on the Indian Removal Act. In Homeline's history, the Indian Removal Act passed by five votes. It was well known in our history that, if the Veto of the Mayfield Road Bill was coming, the margin of defeat would have been far wider. And in this parallel, it was defeated by a wide margin.

Jackson is having to deal with more chaos in his administration than in most parallels. Homeline assumes that, for reasons unknown, the Cabal either hates Jackson or wants the Cherokees left on their lands.

Homeline wants to know why. The US South of the 1830s was a dangerous place. How does one investigate and occult mystery that has evidence spread over the area from the Atlantic to the Mississippi, and south from the Ohio River to the Gulf of Mexico?
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Old 10-05-2018, 07:32 PM   #3678
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On Jackson-5, Andrew Jackson was killed a week before the Battle of New Orleans due to friendly fire, leading the British victory over the American forces, which were easily routed, and the subsequent occupation of New Orleans. When the British occupation force left, they gave the captured American arms and ships to the slaves that they had freed during their occupation of New Orleans. The freed slaves imprisoned any former owners who refused to acknowledge their freedom after the British left, destroyed the recovering American forces that attempted to retake New Orleans, and announced themselves to be the Louisiana Republic.

The Louisiana Republic immediately received recognition and support from the British Crown, who sent ships and soldiers to guarantee the independence of the Louisiana Republic. The USA responded by attacking Canada again, but the Canadians were ready for a second invasion, and they defeated and captured the American forces. In the half century since then, the Louisiana Republic has played the kingmaker between the USA and the Republic of Mexico, and they helped defeat the USA during the American-Mexican War of 1848.
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Old 10-05-2018, 07:47 PM   #3679
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Would there really be a US Mexican war with Louisiana in the way?

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On Dixie-7, Andrew Jackson died in his sleep in the early 1820s. Without his presidency, the five civilized tribe weren't removed and the presidency remained an unimportant bureaucrat. In 1861, Lincoln was impeached for his actions in the secession crisis, and the South left without a fight. The last 50 years have not been good to the former United States. America has balkanized steadily, growing to 7 nations on the continent, mostly toys for foreign powers.

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Old 10-05-2018, 08:55 PM   #3680
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Would there really be a US Mexican war with Louisiana in the way?
The United States would continue to expand westward to the north of Louisiana. There's no way it could hold all the territory that Napoleon claimed and the settlement after the war of 1812 wouldn't even try. The British would want a defensible patch of territory. In my version the British only ended up with New Orleans and immediate environs, setting it up as a kind of North American Hong Kong with trade policies that left it much larger and much richer than the real life version.
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