03-11-2018, 12:25 PM | #11 |
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Re: Telekinesis - weapon attack at long range - penalties?
Uhm. Actually. Reading up on the rules. It doesn't really say that you could pick up a sword and fence with it, using TK. Is that not normally a part of the TK ability?
It only list TK punch/grab. Or TK-throw. I have allowed someone with TK to use a knife, using Knife skill to hit with it. Last edited by Maz; 03-11-2018 at 12:28 PM. |
03-11-2018, 02:26 PM | #12 |
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Re: Telekinesis - weapon attack at long range - penalties?
Also remember that by default telekenisis has very short range. To use it over distance requires an increased range enhancement.
To use weapons may require the animation enhancement. To use it without having to take constant concentrates may require the a duration enhancement. Assuming you have the right enhancements to make all this happen; yes TK has no range penalties beyond 'can see'. You only start taking range penalties once it leaves your 'tk grip' control. |
03-11-2018, 05:00 PM | #13 | |
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Re: Telekinesis - weapon attack at long range - penalties?
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May? Yes? Why? |
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03-11-2018, 06:15 PM | #14 |
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Re: Telekinesis - weapon attack at long range - penalties?
It will depend on the GM's interpretation of the rules:
The rules say that TK can: Code:
Ready maneuver to pick up an object; Move maneuver to lift and carry it; Attack maneuver to throw it, or to grab or strike directly; |
03-11-2018, 07:19 PM | #15 |
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Re: Telekinesis - weapon attack at long range - penalties?
I would say the rules fairly clear say you can use TK to wield a weapon.
"You can manipulate distant objects just as if you were grasping them in a pair of hands" As using a sword is something that you can do when grasping it in a pair of hands, I'd say you should be able to do it with TK. It is true in the passage starslayer quoted doesn't include using a melee weapon as an example. However, just before that passage it says you may perform one standard maneuver, and just following that passage it say "and so on." I feel using a melee weapon counts as "so on." As to the original question, if there was a character who purchased long range telekinesis, I would assess some sort of range penalties if they wanted to use it to attack someone with a melee weapon at extreme range, but what those penalties should be I don't know. I know by the rules in TK there are no range penalties, but if someone wants to fence with an opponent a mile a way I can see that being difficult. |
03-11-2018, 07:25 PM | #16 |
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Re: Telekinesis - weapon attack at long range - penalties?
What happens if your target is between you and the object that you are controlling (as in, you move the object behind your target)? Should you not suffer a penalty for a blind attack for not being able to see where the weapon is relative to the target?
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03-12-2018, 03:17 AM | #17 |
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Re: Telekinesis - weapon attack at long range - penalties?
Here's the rules I ended up going with in my game:
---- Stealthy Backstab. (My player wants to be try to sneak a knife behind enemies and stab them in the back, so I made some general guidelines for that) You can attempt to move the weapon unseen. This requires an IQ-based Stealth-check. You have the normal penalties for moving and Stealthing. -5 for moving faster than a step per sec. -5 if there are no real hiding places. On an opposed roll (like in combat time) the target have a penalty to spot the weapon depending on it's size. -4 for Reach C weapons. -2 for Reach 1. +0 for reach 2. We have yet to playtest these rules. But it will likely come up already next game. Last edited by Maz; 03-12-2018 at 03:21 AM. |
03-12-2018, 08:18 AM | #18 |
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Re: Telekinesis - weapon attack at long range - penalties?
Yes, but this is already covered under 'unable to see target' and 'blindness'. I don't think anyone is debating these points.
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03-12-2018, 08:26 AM | #19 | |
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Re: Telekinesis - weapon attack at long range - penalties?
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IE if you have knife at DX+4 and you are wielding a knife with TK it becomes IQ+4. I am also unsure on your stealthy back-stab, I wonder if it might be better covered by simply using the existing rules for surprise attack, behind the back attack, and dirty trick. |
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03-12-2018, 08:39 AM | #20 |
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Re: Telekinesis - weapon attack at long range - penalties?
You might also introduce TK-based versions of combat skills. All that physical training you did to learn footwork and how to use your melee weapon does you little good when you're animating a dancing sword. And to qualify as a combat skill, rather than just bashing someone with a three-pound metal object that happens to be sword-shaped, would take more focused training and practice than just the ability to pick up a sword with your mental "hand", just as it takes more than just the ability to pick up a sword with your physical hand.
A character might learn both, of course. And a GM might choose to let one default to the other at some penalty judged suitable. If you're using Skills For Everyone so that there's a TK skill, you could also make the combat skills Techniques of the TK skill. |
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