09-07-2017, 07:29 PM | #41 | |
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That maps neatly, in my opinion, with your view of Quintessence above.
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09-07-2017, 09:20 PM | #42 | |
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But I'm also not sure that this solves the problem. If you say that the Nephandi are there to destroy the universe because the Weaver has put it out of balance, that seems to be making the Weaver, or the Technocracy, the objectively evil element. And then you still don't seem to have true relativism, because you still have objective evil, don't you?
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09-07-2017, 09:22 PM | #43 | |
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09-07-2017, 09:32 PM | #44 | |
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Re: my new campaign ideas
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Order is stasis. Rebirth is destruction. Freedom is chaos. It all depends on your point of view. The thing is that the Nephandi still want to destroy the universe, which most people, including the traditions and the conventions aren't going to see as a good thing. But the other side of that is a view that maintaining or modifying a sick universe rather than letting it be reborn is misguided. Last edited by sir_pudding; 09-07-2017 at 09:42 PM. |
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09-07-2017, 11:14 PM | #45 | |
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09-07-2017, 11:44 PM | #46 |
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Re: my new campaign ideas
In which case then ending suffering is a good; it is ahimsa. But I see the nature of the WoD as being fundamentally cyclic, so I think a new universe would emerge in its place. At any rate what matters for relativistism is that the Nephandi believe it is a good.
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09-08-2017, 12:19 AM | #47 | |
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And I don't readily see a way to fit the service of demonic masters or the emphasis on corruption into the pursuit of nirvana you refer to. It seems way too active.
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09-08-2017, 06:48 PM | #48 |
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Re: my new campaign ideas
Keep in mind: all the different corebooks in the oWoD line were written with all the fluff being from that "type's" POV... the ones of the nWoD line I've read maintained that.
There is no singular objective view that's correct - sorting through the POVs is the GM's way of personalizing the game setting. Oh, and the clanbooks/tradition-books/etc are even more POV. Only the mechanics are treated as omniscient POV. |
09-08-2017, 07:29 PM | #49 | |
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And the Nephandi kind of come across to me as comic book villains. I don't really see them as the adversaries I want to make a campaign interesting.
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09-09-2017, 12:14 AM | #50 | |
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That is the intended way to use it. It's all POV, not setting truth. Last edited by ak_aramis; 09-09-2017 at 12:19 AM. |
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