11-26-2015, 12:03 PM | #11 |
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Re: Weapon Master (Shield)
Is there anything stated on using shields to parry instead of block. If we're using it as a weapon and it qualifies for weapon master, can you use it to parry instead of block? In fact, could you use it to parry a bunch then get a single unpenalized block after? And finally, if parrying with it, do you still get it's DB?
This would open up a whole new realm of sort-of-shield-sort-of-weapons for cinematic games. Something like the ridiculously wide sword that is two handed, but also grands DB 1 or 2.
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11-26-2015, 12:34 PM | #12 |
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Re: Weapon Master (Shield)
"Block" is "parry with a shield".
I could see an argument that there shouldn't be a distinction in the first place, but given that there is one, there doesn't seem to me to be a point to having both a "shield block" and "shield parry" rule. |
11-26-2015, 04:43 PM | #13 |
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Re: Weapon Master (Shield)
Neither Immunity to Pain or Unconsciousness affects major wounds, but Hard to Subdue would keep them fighting into negative hit points. Either way, I'm not against letting him have his Moments of Awesome and just chucking more monsters at him and the group as a whole. Of course, when it comes time for them to run into a nasty, there plenty of ways to negate that shield and the brutality of its effects.
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11-26-2015, 06:19 PM | #14 | |
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Re: Weapon Master (Shield)
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With respect to penalties, I treat Parry and Block as the same thing; performing either active defense imposes a cumulative -4 penalty on the next active defense, regardless of which one it is. As a side note, I allow both Block and Parry with weapons as well, where a Block means the weapon takes the blunt of the blow and is thus damaged in the process. Most mid-sized weapons (e.g., broadsword) qualify for a +1 DB. |
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11-26-2015, 07:35 PM | #15 | |
Join Date: Sep 2007
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Re: Weapon Master (Shield)
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Though I don't think the normal combat system is that specific about the terms "parry" and "block". RAW weapon "parries" also include things that many people would call a "block". I suspect the main reason for having two different terms was simply that up through 3e, Parry and Block scores were calculated differently. It would have been confusing to call them the same thing. If you're going to distinguish the two for shields, you might as well make the distinction for weapons as well (as you do). And of course for unarmed combat as well. ("Blocks" here would often not be of the weapon itself, but of the limb of the attacker. That would occasionally be true of weapons and shields as well. Though there's always the pesky term "stop hit".) |
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11-27-2015, 11:06 AM | #16 |
Join Date: Jul 2007
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
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Re: Weapon Master (Shield)
My house rule on shield treat them just like weapons, so they parry, there is no such thing as a block - I once kept block as defence against missile weapons, but found it to be annoying to remember that the second defence is -5 in that one case.
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11-27-2015, 12:44 PM | #17 |
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11-27-2015, 02:28 PM | #18 |
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Location: Denmark
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11-27-2015, 02:54 PM | #19 |
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