Japanese Oni's

[FireHorse]

Originally Posted by aylwin13

Someone's even done a Deluxe OGRE-scale map of the area already.

Not quite; that map doesn't have Berkeley on it.

On the other hand, it does have Haight-Ashbury… so it's worth a few Cruise Missiles.

[woodchuck]

Berkeley is a nuclear-free zone.

[DSumner]

Originally Posted by woodchuck

Berkeley is a nuclear-free zone.

I could make several smart comments, but I'll bite my tongue restrain myself. Now I do have question, anyone want to hazard a guess as to how the Nihon transported their Oni across the pacific? I really can't see them casually strolling along the sea floor, and Combine Cybersubs would have wreaked havoc on ships large enough to transport them. Combine naval forces would have harassed any convoys from the moment they set sail toward the West Coast.

[MaDaRe]

Originally Posted by DSumner

Now I do have question, anyone want to hazard a guess as to how the Nihon transported their Oni across the pacific? I really can't see them casually strolling along the sea floor, and Combine Cybersubs would have wreaked havoc on ships large enough to transport them. Combine naval forces would have harassed any convoys from the moment they set sail toward the West Coast.

According to the Ogre time-line the the Nihon invasion doesn't occur until after the Combines collapse. So I guess the answer might be that there was no Combine navy. Any remaining north american naval units would have been close to home dealing with unrest, revolution, and each other and not keeping an eye on the Nihon navy.

[FireHorse]

For the very reasons you cite, I would suspect they did just crawl across the ocean floor. It'd be much safer than any surface transport, and it wouldn't really take all that long. Tokyo is almost exactly 5000 miles from San Francisco; and at M3 (4500 meters per turn, so approx. 42 miles per hour) that's about a 120-hour drive: 5 days. I could see 'em doing that.

Incidentally, speaking of Movement rates… the Oni (and most other Ogres) have M3, which means three hexes per turn; and one hex is 1500 meters (or 1.5 k), while one turn is 4 minutes, right? And there are fifteen turns in one hour; therefore:

(3 x 1.5) x 15 = 67.5 kph = 41.94 mph

Is my math flawed in any way? I don't think so…

…but then explain why the Ogre Mark V Blueprint Poster says "Maximum Combat Speed 90 kph"…?

[Tickled to Death]

Originally Posted by FireHorse

Incidentally, speaking of Movement rates… the Oni (and most other Ogres) have M3, which means three hexes per turn; and one hex is 1500 meters (or 1.5 k), while one turn is 4 minutes, right? And there are fifteen turns in one hour; therefore:

(3 x 1.5) x 15 = 67.5 kph = 41.94 mph

Is my math flawed in any way? I don't think so…

…but then explain why the Ogre Mark V Blueprint Poster says "Maximum Combat Speed 90 kph"…?

The 'extra' 20kph is 'jinking' movement during a turn to avoid projectiles, find the best ground to move over??

[Glenn Jupp]

Originally Posted by Tickled to Death

The 'extra' 20kph is 'jinking' movement during a turn to avoid projectiles, find the best ground to move over??

Road bonus, perhaps?

[DSumner]

Originally Posted by Glenn Jupp

Road bonus, perhaps?

That would be my guess also. I figure when it's on a nice flat highway, it can roll full out, but in rough terrain, or even an open field, it would have to slow down to cut down on wear on its frame.

[DSumner]

Originally Posted by FireHorse

For the very reasons you cite, I would suspect they did just crawl across the ocean floor. It'd be much safer than any surface transport, and it wouldn't really take all that long. Tokyo is almost exactly 5000 miles from San Francisco; and at M3 (4500 meters per turn, so approx. 42 miles per hour) that's about a 120-hour drive: 5 days. I could see 'em doing that.

OK, now that you put it that way, I might buy it. But still can't see them leaving the whole west coast open to attack. If nothing else the modern day US Navy has a series of underwater sensors to detect submarines and other what not off the coast. I figure the Combine Navy and Coast Guard would have a similar system. Or at least some sort of defense network (Mines?) set up to keep Pearl Harbor II from happening. But, either way, it would still be fun to play out.

[Apache]

Originally Posted by DSumner

OK, now that you put it that way, I might buy it. But still can't see them leaving the whole west coast open to attack. If nothing else the modern day US Navy has a series of underwater sensors to detect submarines and other what not off the coast. I figure the Combine Navy and Coast Guard would have a similar system. Or at least some sort of defense network (Mines?) set up to keep Pearl Harbor II from happening. But, either way, it would still be fun to play out.

Also, the bottom of the Pacific Ocean is hardly 'flat'.

You have trenches, undersea mountains, volcano's, volcanic vents, etc. The sea floor is hardly compact ground, either......there are many places where an Ogre could get STUCK, indefinitely.

And while Ogres can travel underwater, it is canon that deep ocean pressure is dangerous to the standard combat Ogre (all the background about the various problems getting Ogres across the Atlantic to Europe, and vice versa...); they aren't designed to handle it. Even if the Ogre is undamaged, many of its combat systems (and the electronics) would probably be severely damaged by the pressure and prolonged exposure to sea water.