Military Colonies

[jason taylor]

Settlements to support a military or naval unit. This would not be a depot specifically, rather it would be a settlement based on the dependents of a given unit, the businesses that cater to it, and the like. In some states this could cover an entire planet. This type of place, might have a generational tradition of providing servicemembers.

Implications of the existence of such are already given. There are Darrian Aslan, and some Aslan communities have a similar status in other places including the Imperium.

[thrash]

Canon says that Bellerophon/Solomani Rim 1519 was founded as just such a colony by the Terran Confederation during the Interstellar Wars. See Adv. 9.

[Mgellis]

Any type 6 government could be this, I think...

For GURPS Traveller, this is described as "Colony, subjugated, or military government."

It occurs to me that a lot of these are not "occupied/oppressed," but simply worlds where the main government is a military base. Think of any Population 4 or 5 world with a Type 6 government--it would be plausible to have tens of thousands of military personnel at a base and the only real government is the base; everyone else is either a civilian employee or a homesteader (who probably has to come to the base to buy and sell goods, etc.).

Something else occurred to me, although I don't think there is anything mentioned specifically...maybe a lot of type 6 governments are simply worlds ruled directly by the Imperium. Not occupied. Just worlds where most or all of the population said, "Hey, we like the way the Imperium runs things and we'd prefer to have our noble not only as the guy who can step in with his Mandate if the Ministries do something weird, but as the constitutional monarch for our local government as well." Considering some of the other governments you have in the Imperium, this seems a lot more reasonable. (Among other things, it means your neighbors cannot attack you...you're not a member world of the Imperium, you are the Imperium.) I suppose the downside would be that Ine Givar and similar groups would probably be drawn to attack your world...a symbol of the "true" oppression of the Imperium!

Mark

[jason taylor]

Originally Posted by Mgellis

Any type 6 government could be this, I think...

For GURPS Traveller, this is described as "Colony, subjugated, or military government."

It occurs to me that a lot of these are not "occupied/oppressed," but simply worlds where the main government is a military base. Think of any Population 4 or 5 world with a Type 6 government--it would be plausible to have tens of thousands of military personnel at a base and the only real government is the base; everyone else is either a civilian employee or a homesteader (who probably has to come to the base to buy and sell goods, etc.).

Something else occurred to me, although I don't think there is anything mentioned specifically...maybe a lot of type 6 governments are simply worlds ruled directly by the Imperium. Not occupied. Just worlds where most or all of the population said, "Hey, we like the way the Imperium runs things and we'd prefer to have our noble not only as the guy who can step in with his Mandate if the Ministries do something weird, but as the constitutional monarch for our local government as well." Considering some of the other governments you have in the Imperium, this seems a lot more reasonable. (Among other things, it means your neighbors cannot attack you...you're not a member world of the Imperium, you are the Imperium.) I suppose the downside would be that Ine Givar and similar groups would probably be drawn to attack your world...a symbol of the "true" oppression of the Imperium!

Mark

In some worlds, threat from the Ine Givar might be a fair trade.

By comparison, Maltese were quite welcoming of the Knights Hospitaller when they set up shop in the 1500s, because of course they would be raided anyway, even if the knights were not there.

[rasimus]

Originally Posted by Mgellis

Something else occurred to me, although I don't think there is anything mentioned specifically...maybe a lot of type 6 governments are simply worlds ruled directly by the Imperium. Not occupied. Just worlds where most or all of the population said, "Hey, we like the way the Imperium runs things and we'd prefer to have our noble not only as the guy who can step in with his Mandate if the Ministries do something weird, but as the constitutional monarch for our local government as well." Considering some of the other governments you have in the Imperium, this seems a lot more reasonable. (Among other things, it means your neighbors cannot attack you...you're not a member world of the Imperium, you are the Imperium.) I suppose the downside would be that Ine Givar and similar groups would probably be drawn to attack your world...a symbol of the "true" oppression of the Imperium!

I would think/assume that if the local 'Imperial Noble' were to run things, it could be one of several other possible government types (e.g. dictator, monarchy, military junta, etc.) The planet would still be a member world of the Imperium though.

(The flip side would be, if the Imperium granted an Imperial title to a world ruler (be she dictator/monarch, etc), the world wouldn't become more Imperial than it's neighbors.)

In either case, the world would still need to collect it's own taxes, decide on it's own local laws (or lack thereof), and provide or negotiate for it's own defense.

(I mean, wasn't Regina declared a personal fiefdom of Archduke Norris?* Does a world get any more 'Imperial' than that?)

*This now is me dodging flame/fireballs/fusion blasts. :-)

[Hans Rancke-Madsen]

Originally Posted by rasimus

(I mean, wasn't Regina declared a personal fiefdom of Archduke Norris?*

BTC makes that claim, yes. Since it's hard to imagine just how Regina could come to belong to the Emperor to give away as a fief (Regina was an independent world for two centuries before joining the Imperium and the canonical writeup of Regina makes no mention of anything like that), I assume that it's a misinterpretation of Norris' "fief" as Duke of the Duchy of Regina (Under no circumstances to be confused with the Regina System).


Hans