12-08-2009, 08:05 AM | #61 | |
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Re: Is Transhuman Space a "silly" genre?
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12-08-2009, 08:55 AM | #62 | |
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Re: Is Transhuman Space a "silly" genre?
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The obvious solution is to stop taking it for granted - which, of course, you can use in THS horror as a the me (identity theft). What is also very important is that the origin of the message is less important than content. For instance, look at the way a typical post looks: there's a quote (with or without the reference to the poster whose quote it is); then there's the relevant message; then there's the signature so that one could identify the poster of the message. Notice that the nick and avatar take place to the side, in 'bannerspace' - a blindspot for a typical reader. No, it's a shortcut to save 'processing time'. Something people do to avoid working with all the complexities of reality. It's a form of stereotype, same as 'Jews have higher IQ than other Europeans' - it can be true, maybe even most of the time, but not always. |
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12-08-2009, 09:25 AM | #63 |
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Re: Is Transhuman Space a "silly" genre?
May I suggest taking the identity/uploading discussion off to its own thread? It's drifted a long way from the title of this one.
(And for a bonus, we could direct people there whenever it comes round again.)
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12-08-2009, 09:32 AM | #64 |
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Re: Is Transhuman Space a "silly" genre?
I see that as a good thing to do. Sorry.
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12-08-2009, 11:58 PM | #66 |
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Re: Is Transhuman Space a "silly" genre?
My own two cents on identity: indexing is valid but forkable. If I make a copy of me, both the copy and the normal continuation of me are me. They are not, however, each other. My memories, personality, and my guilt if any, are inherited by both, but any crimes one or the other commits obviously don't directly impinge on the other. (Though one might view the other with suspicion about what it might do!)
A backup is immortality for the me making the backup. It is not immortality for the later me who got killed while rock climbing, prompting the activation of the backup. We don't have a good word or concept for what it *is* for the later me -- what it is to die knowing that a younger self will appear to fill your shoes. |
12-09-2009, 12:06 AM | #67 | |
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Re: Is Transhuman Space a "silly" genre?
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12-09-2009, 12:11 AM | #68 |
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Re: Is Transhuman Space a "silly" genre?
With genetic memory, no less.
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12-09-2009, 12:24 AM | #69 |
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Re: Is Transhuman Space a "silly" genre?
There's something to that analogy. OTOH, we don't have anything for the subjective experience of that, bacteria not being very verbose. And what they do isn't the same: there's no backup there, just forking. This would be the rock-climber falling knowing that someone else was out there with his old memories plus some new experiences, as opposed to knowing that a pure earlier self would activate. And of course this 'reproduction' is a lot different from usual human reproduction, so if you just call it reproduction the word will have to shift meaning.
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12-09-2009, 07:47 AM | #70 | |
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