Lose 2 levels even if you escape.

[spectre13]

Several monsters have the text that you lose something or other even if you escape, the most common i've seen being "Lose 2 levels even if you escape." My question is: do you lose those two levels, in addition to the bad stuff if you run away but DONT escape?

[Shadowere]

Originally Posted by spectre13

Several monsters have the text that you lose something or other even if you escape, the most common i've seen being "Lose 2 levels even if you escape." My question is: do you lose those two levels, in addition to the bad stuff if you run away but DONT escape?

Successful Run Away: Lose 2 levels

Failed to Run Away: Suffer Bad Stuff

Basically you are not walking away unscathed.


IMO, Shadowere

[ArcadianRefugee]

Originally Posted by Shadowere

Successful Run Away: Lose 2 levels

Failed to Run Away: Suffer Bad Stuff

Really? The problem there is the proper English for such would be "Lose two levels if you escape" which would give you:

Failed to Run Away: Suffer Bad Stuff
Successful Run Away: Lose 2 levels

However, the card (in the example) reads "Lose 2 levels, even if you escape." This would mean you lose two levels if you lose, even if you escape.

Meaning:
Failed to Run Away: Suffer Bad Stuff (with a minimal level loss of 2)
Successful Run Away: Lose 2 levels anyway

At least I have always viewed it as the latter, though I think the one that comes to mind (Wight Brothers) makes it a moot point, as the Bad Stuff is "You become Level 1" iirc.

I'd honestly never considered it the "either/or" way. I just figured that no matter what happened, if you had to run away you were looking at a level loss of at least 2, no matter failure or success.

[Shadowere]

Originally Posted by ArcadianRefugee

Really? The problem there is the proper English for such would be "Lose two levels if you escape" which would give you:

Failed to Run Away: Suffer Bad Stuff
Successful Run Away: Lose 2 levels

However, the card (in the example) reads "Lose 2 levels, even if you escape." This would mean you lose two levels if you lose, even if you escape.

Meaning:
Failed to Run Away: Suffer Bad Stuff (with a minimal level loss of 2)
Successful Run Away: Lose 2 levels anyway

At least I have always viewed it as the latter, though I think the one that comes to mind (Wight Brothers) makes it a moot point, as the Bad Stuff is "You become Level 1" iirc.

I'd honestly never considered it the "either/or" way. I just figured that no matter what happened, if you had to run away you were looking at a level loss of at least 2, no matter failure or success.

Oops! My bad...Thanks for the correction.....


Shadowere

[PK]

Originally Posted by spectre13

Several monsters have the text that you lose something or other even if you escape, the most common i've seen being "Lose 2 levels even if you escape." My question is: do you lose those two levels, in addition to the bad stuff if you run away but DONT escape?

Yes. If you fail to run away, the Bad Stuff happens. If you successfully run away, no Bad Stuff happens. Then, in addition, you lose two levels.

[Ozzymindous]

The card King Tut has the -lose 2 levels, even if you escape- but its bad stuff is lose all items and your hand. So it would make a big diffrence here.

[MunchkinMan]

Regardless, RPK and AR are correct: If you have to Run Away, you're losing 2 Levels because you had to Run Away. Failing to Run Away simply offers further hardship.

[Bazz]

do you lose the levels before or after you try to escape? the example i can think of offhand is if you had some powers which affected your roll to run away (luck of the fae, celeritousness, also several other powers could affect it in some way or other) then if you losr levels first, you might then have to lose the powers, affecting your roll.

just a rthought.

[Rilyntar]

Originally Posted by Bazz

do you lose the levels before or after you try to escape?

As MunchkinMan said that RPK is correct, you first suffer the bad stuff (if so) and then loose the levels.

[Bazz]

true, but the way Erik phrased it might indicate otherwise.

Originally Posted by MunchkinMan

Regardless, RPK and AR are correct: If you have to Run Away, you're losing 2 Levels because you had to Run Away. Failing to Run Away simply offers further hardship.

If taken precisely then the second that you have to run away, then you lose 2 levels, and when he saiys failing to run offers "further" hardship, that indicates you've already undergone hardship, i.e., losing 2 levels. I was just wondering.