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Old 12-07-2017, 05:02 PM   #2981
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Since CP-1 lacked suitable cooling and neutron moderating units, the resulting detonation would have consumed 10% of the enriched uranium of CP-1 (1200 pounds or 550 kilograms) before spreading rest of the enriched uranium throughout the Chicago Metropolitan Area and Lake Michigan (along with the uranium oxide and the resulting daughter isotopes from the explosion). With 550 kg of enriched uranium experiencing fission, 550 grams of matter would transform to energy, which would mean a release of 49.5 PJ of energy, around 22% of Tsar Bomba or 11 megaton of TNT. It would have probably killed 2 million people and injured another 2 million people given the population density of Chicago in the 1940s (with the radioactive fallout killing and injuring similar numbers of people over the following year).
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Old 12-09-2017, 06:10 AM   #2982
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Try this idea. On this Q6 world superheroes have historical effects. Carter Hall (Hawkman) and Ted Knight (Starman) colaberate in 1942 to create a means to make full size cargo ships fly. Between Hawkman's Nith Metal and Starman Cosmic Ray collectors, they succeed. There was no battle of the Atlantic, the Americans built vast flying saucers to transport troops and material.

From August of 1942 on, Germany and Japan were subjected to bombing raids from saucers far to high for their fighters to reach.

Following an idea given to Hawkman and Starman by Arthur C. Clarke, though his friend and lover Happy Terrill (The Ray), in November of 1942 the first comunication satilites go into orbit.

Homeline, Centrum, and the Cabal, are all interested in this parallel mainly because of Nith Metal seems to retain some of its properties in any parallel. Meanwhile, Centrum is looking to recruit the soon to be unemployed Nazi supers. They see them as expendable trash to throw against Homeline. Meanwhile the Cabal is looking for help against Midwinter Anton (Nazi Mages allied with demon lords) to keep them form recriuting Nazi supers.

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Old 12-09-2017, 11:49 AM   #2983
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Try this idea. On this Q6 world superheroes have historical effects. Carter Hall (Hawkman) and Ted Knight (Starman) colaberate in 1942 to create a means to make full size cargo ships fly. Between Hawkman's Nith Metal and Starman Cosmic Ray collectors, they succeed. There was no battle of the Atlantic, the Americans built vast flying saucers to transport troops and material.
The Battle of the Atlantic started in September of 1939, so that much needs amending. As long as Admiral King remains Commander-in-Chief United States Fleet, it's unlikely that flying saucers will be used to move materiel. Historically, he refused to institute escorted convoys as protection of troop transports had priority. (It doesn't explain his refusal to institute unescorted convoys, though.) It seems likely that flying saucers to move materiel wouldn't be a thing until all troop transports cwere converted to flying saucers. There's also the question of just how much Nith metal is available. By comic standards, it's at least as rare as the uranium isotope used in the A-bomb.

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From August of 1942 on, Germany and Japan were subjected to bombing raids from saucers far to high for their fighters to reach.

Following an idea given to Hawkman and Starman by Arthur C. Clarke, though his friend and lover Happy Terrill (The Ray), in November of 1942 the first comunication satilites go into orbit.

Homeline, Centrum, and the Cabal, are all interested in this parallel mainly because of Nith Metal seems to retain some of its properties in any parallel. Meanwhile, Centrum is looking to recruit the soon to be unemployed Nazi supers. They see them as expendable trash to throw against Homeline. Meanwhile the Cabal is looking for help against Midwinter Anton (Nazi Mages allied with demon lords) to keep them form recriuting Nazi supers.

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Centrum didn't have a WWII, but they don't particularly like Reich-5. Given those facts, access to worlds where Australia did fight the Nazis in WWII, and the fact that Centrum isn't Nazi in practice or theory; I'm inclined to doubt that Centrum has any interest in recruiting Nazi supers.

Given that Centrum arose from a conflict that spiraled out of control, I can't see them recruiting anything with a similar potential to go south in a big way and recruiting Nazi supers seems to fall firmly in that category, unless Centrum either has its own comparable supers or a surefire method of controlling supers. Barring that, neutralizing or eliminating Nazi supers seems more likely. If they have a surefire method of controlling some supers, supers that can't be controlled by that method will still be neutralized or eliminated.
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Old 12-09-2017, 01:15 PM   #2984
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I think that Homeline Israel would be frightened to death of Nazi supers and would be assassinating them as fast as they are capable. I think that Centrum would both want to avoid allowing Nazi supers access to paratronics, and I imagine that Centrum would start assassinating Nazi supers as soon as they even suspected that Homeline was trying to recruit Nazi supers. The Cabal is full of horrors and monsters though, so genocidal Nazi supers would fit right in.
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Old 12-09-2017, 04:30 PM   #2985
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The Battle of the Atlantic started in September of 1939, so that much needs amending. As long as Admiral King remains Commander-in-Chief United States Fleet, it's unlikely that flying saucers will be used to move materiel. Historically, he refused to institute escorted convoys as protection of troop transports had priority. (It doesn't explain his refusal to institute unescorted convoys, though.) It seems likely that flying saucers to move materiel wouldn't be a thing until all troop transports cwere converted to flying saucers. There's also the question of just how much Nith metal is available. By comic standards, it's at least as rare as the uranium isotope used in the A-bomb.
First, I was thinking of engines that combined Nith metal and something like a Gravity Rod. Nith Metal is what Hawkman used to power his gravity belt and wings. The Gravity Rod being the source of Starman's tricks, it was powered by Cosmic Rays. Thus, how much Nith Metal is needed to make a cargo streamer fly is a matter of the GM's personal taste.

Second, if Admiral King were to turn down vastly faster safer transport for no good reason, the press would howl and congress would hang him out to dry.

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Centrum didn't have a WWII, but they don't particularly like Reich-5. Given those facts, access to worlds where Australia did fight the Nazis in WWII, and the fact that Centrum isn't Nazi in practice or theory; I'm inclined to doubt that Centrum has any interest in recruiting Nazi supers.
They see most of them as expendable trash, as I said, some they see as redeemable, or at least useful. Because Nazis are seen as freaking out Homeline (that's cannon by the way, Centrum sees Nazis as an easy way to make Homeliners crazy) Centrum will use Nazis. They find them disgusting but useful trash.

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Given that Centrum arose from a conflict that spiraled out of control, I can't see them recruiting anything with a similar potential to go south in a big way and recruiting Nazi supers seems to fall firmly in that category, unless Centrum either has its own comparable supers or a surefire method of controlling supers. Barring that, neutralizing or eliminating Nazi supers seems more likely. If they have a surefire method of controlling some supers, supers that can't be controlled by that method will still be neutralized or eliminated.
In cannon Centrum does push final wars in worlds were it thinks panchronomics might be discovered. If Centrum benefits, they don't care to much who suffers.
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Old 12-09-2017, 04:38 PM   #2986
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I think that Homeline Israel would be frightened to death of Nazi supers and would be assassinating them as fast as they are capable. I think that Centrum would both want to avoid allowing Nazi supers access to paratronics, and I imagine that Centrum would start assassinating Nazi supers as soon as they even suspected that Homeline was trying to recruit Nazi supers. The Cabal is full of horrors and monsters though, so genocidal Nazi supers would fit right in.
I think you've just set up a nasty mess for the Icops.

Picture a Nazi super turned informant, he wants out and his family with him. Centrum thinks he knows to much. They con the Israelis into thinking the super is a war criminal who wants to finish what Hitler started. Now keep the informant alive.

Further, the very fear you mention, justified as it would be, would aid Centrum. Toss out a Nazi Super and see Homeline go nuts.
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Old 12-09-2017, 06:27 PM   #2987
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I recall some article about MacArthur which said he refused to arrest Emperor Hirohito unless he got an extra million troops for occupation duty first.
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Yeah, while I don't have a high opinion of MacArthur in general (or as a general), he did understand Japanese culture better than most of the rest of the Allied high command at the time.
My understanding of things is that the Emperor had little to do with starting WW2, is this wrong?

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The Battle of the Atlantic started in September of 1939, so that much needs amending. As long as Admiral King remains Commander-in-Chief United States Fleet, it's unlikely that flying saucers will be used to move materiel. Historically, he refused to institute escorted convoys as protection of troop transports had priority. (It doesn't explain his refusal to institute unescorted convoys, though.).
Is there a reason he refused to convoy supply ships with troops ships?
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Old 12-09-2017, 06:53 PM   #2988
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My understanding of things is that the Emperor had little to do with starting WW2, is this wrong?
He played no substantive role in making policy. They kept him informed though and in theory he could have stopped them. But the semi-divine status of the emperor depended heavily on not making decisions so that they would not be blamed for the outcomes of decisions. Things have to get pretty desperate before an emperor will act.
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Old 12-09-2017, 07:11 PM   #2989
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The problem with Japan in WWII is that they made three critical mistakes. First, they invested three times as much money in their Army than in their Navy, which was insane for an island nation. Second, they continued their occupation of China throughout WWII, even though they could have easily withdrawn their troops and conquered China again after the war. Third, they attacked the USA instead of the USSR.

If the Japanese had divided their resources equally between the Army and the Navy, the US would have had a much more difficult war in the Pacific (and the Japanese might have been able to take Alaska, Australia, Hawaii, and New Zealand, depending on circumstances). If the Japanese had left Chnia and retreated back to Manchuria, the Communists and the Nationalists would have likely end up fighting against each other for the entirety of the war rather than fighting against the Japanese, and the Japanese would have had a million troops to use elsewhere. If the Japanese had attacked Russia instead of the USA, the Siberian divisions could not have left Far East Russia, meaning that European Russia would have been unable to be reinforced with fresh troops, meaning that Hitler would have rolled Stalin back to Siberia.
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Old 12-09-2017, 07:41 PM   #2990
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The problem with Japan in WWII is that they made three critical mistakes. First, they invested three times as much money in their Army than in their Navy, which was insane for an island nation. Second, they continued their occupation of China throughout WWII, even though they could have easily withdrawn their troops and conquered China again after the war. Third, they attacked the USA instead of the USSR.

If the Japanese had divided their resources equally between the Army and the Navy, the US would have had a much more difficult war in the Pacific (and the Japanese might have been able to take Alaska, Australia, Hawaii, and New Zealand, depending on circumstances). If the Japanese had left Chnia and retreated back to Manchuria, the Communists and the Nationalists would have likely end up fighting against each other for the entirety of the war rather than fighting against the Japanese, and the Japanese would have had a million troops to use elsewhere. If the Japanese had attacked Russia instead of the USA, the Siberian divisions could not have left Far East Russia, meaning that European Russia would have been unable to be reinforced with fresh troops, meaning that Hitler would have rolled Stalin back to Siberia.
Yeah but the Japanese wouldn't have gotten much out of the deal.
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