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Old 12-07-2017, 03:49 PM   #21
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The idea that weird not-quite-humans lived in faraway lands was really common in classical, medieval and early modern times, although it's difficult to ascertain with what degree of confidence it was believed in. But a dwarf or gnome is no weirder than a pygmy or wild man, and considerably less weird than the headless men, one-legged men, and dog-headed men that supposedly were to be found all over Africa, India, and similarly inaccessible places. It's entirely possible that there would be a genocidal freakout - perfectly human minority groups like Jews and Roma did get that treatment more than once. But it's not at all implausible that a humanlike race would just be incorporated into the worldview and even society of medieval humans with little difficulty.
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Old 12-07-2017, 03:52 PM   #22
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'Medieval' isn't one time or place, it's a bit like asking how DF races would be treated if they turned up in the real world any time from Queen Victoria's reign onwards. Local reactions would range anywhere from between fleeing in terror, locking them up in a zoo forever, impromptu murder and shanghaiing them into some dodgy reality TV show.

Also, our ancestors weren't an homogenous mass of superstitious dung age simpletons. There are plenty of intelligent, educated and/or powerful people who would be extremely interested in their origins, the point of differences between normal humans, how they got here and also how they could be exploited for profit.
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Old 12-07-2017, 04:36 PM   #23
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Medieval Europe believed there were men with dogs heads in Africa
With this in mind, assuming they considered those to be people and not some sort of monster, I retract my statement about reactions to much less deformed folks.
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Old 12-07-2017, 05:28 PM   #24
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With this in mind, assuming they considered those to be people and not some sort of monster, I retract my statement about reactions to much less deformed folks.
The ninth-century Frankish theologian Ratramnus wrote a letter, the Epistola de Cynocephalis, on whether the Cynocephali should be considered human (he thought that they were). This meant of course there was a duty to preach the Gospel to them.
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Old 12-07-2017, 05:42 PM   #25
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The Catholic Church had no doubts that the Native Americans were people, but the Spanish and Portuguese still enslaved, raped, and murdered millions of Native Americans. The same thing applied to the Protestants and the treatment of Native Americans in North America. I can only imagine that their treatment of nonhumans would have been worse than their treatment of humans.
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:34 PM   #26
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There is no treatment so bad that actual historical humans haven't committed upon other peoples.
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Old 12-07-2017, 06:49 PM   #27
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I can only imagine that their treatment of nonhumans would have been worse than their treatment of humans.
Eh, I would assume 'the same', but it's also fairly situational. It's less a case of "people as a group want to do bad things to you" than "people as a group don't care whether bad things happen to you", and then some individuals decide that doing bad things to you is fun and/or profitable.
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Old 12-07-2017, 07:06 PM   #28
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The Catholic Church had no doubts that the Native Americans were people, but the Spanish and Portuguese still enslaved, raped, and murdered millions of Native Americans. The same thing applied to the Protestants and the treatment of Native Americans in North America. I can only imagine that their treatment of nonhumans would have been worse than their treatment of humans.
That depends entirely on several variables:

1. How many of these guys are there? If a single elf shows up they can end up just being an exotic curiosity...like Pocahontas in London.

2. How tough are these guys? Do humans have a substantive combat advantage over them? The Chinese Empire would not have been treated like the Native Americans had they made it there.

3. Do these guys have stuff that humans actually want to take? If they live in places that aren't really habitable for humans like...under da sea, under da sea, conquest may not be in the cards.
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Old 12-07-2017, 10:37 PM   #29
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I am curious about how a real world medieval town would react to the Dungeon Fantasy races coming into their town. Of course the reaction towards ogres, trolls, goblins and orcs would be terrible but how about elves, drwarves, gnomes and halflings? Since most people would follow the Judeo-Christian world view as man created by God in His image and descended from Adam what would they think about the other races and where they came from? Just curious...
As it happens no one could agree on it at the time. There is no reason they have to agree in the game.
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Old 12-08-2017, 12:04 AM   #30
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Who gets treated more inhumanely, those that are prettier and better off than you, or those that are uglier and worse off?
History seems to say, "yes.", or "it depends."
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