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Old 09-11-2017, 05:50 PM   #2801
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Briefly. The problem with making Scotland more important is much the same one with any timeline where you want to turn somebody marginal into a serious power. Henry doesn't recognize Scotland as an equal power largely because it isn't one. England has 8 to 10 times the population, and the economic imbalance is probably larger than that. . .
You are absolutely correct -- as far as Scotland is on its own.

Remember the Auld Alliance.

Independent Scotland was generally allied with France. Perhaps in the aftermath of a crushing Scottish victory at Flodden (Alternate History) the young & energetic Francis I could take more effective measures to cut back the power of England.

Then, of course, the Hapsburgs would get involved (IIRC Charles of Spain was a nephew of Queen Katherine of Aragon (the latter sobriquet was not just for show in The Six Wives of Henry VIII) and things can get VERY interesting . . .
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Old 09-15-2017, 11:12 AM   #2802
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Try this idea, Henry VIII's younger sister Mary wed King Louis XII. Louis died soon after. But what if his health had been marginally better and he'd have gotten Mary pregnant with a son?

That would leave the King of France a clamant of the Crown of England. Now Mary Queen of Scots Henry VIII great-niece, had no qualms in marrying Lord Darnley her first cousin, and a violent syphilitic drunk. So she'd have no problem marring a close cousin who was King of France. (Especially as the King of France she did marry was mentally handicapped and never when through puberty, Mary sure could pick them.)

So, in our world Elizabeth Tudor never wed because A) she'd lose all her personal money, due to clauses in her Father's will, and be brutally dependent on her husband, B) there was no man she could pick without causing a crisis, and C) she had Protestant options for heirs. In this setting C) is gone.

Elizabeth must marry quickly early in her reign and produce heirs. There will be a crisis.

This would be a game of conspiracy and swashbuckling in a highly glamorous setting.
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Old 09-19-2017, 12:47 AM   #2803
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Centrum would be pushing for Mary marrying the King of France, as it would bring about this world's own version of the Anglo-French Empire.

What if it it's an echo, and Louis XII's extended life was a long-term plot by Centrum? They don't usually try shifts that long-term, but perhaps the idea of an Anglo-French dynastic union was too much to resist.

Make it that Homeline only recently discovered this echo - are even surprised that it is still an echo, still pushable. Centrum has been testing a long-lead shift here both for the Anglo-French union and because Infinity wasn't present - until now.

At this point, Mary's married to Louis XII's son, and Infinity has to stop the full union of nations from happening.
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Old 09-22-2017, 12:01 PM   #2804
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Centrum would be pushing for Mary marrying the King of France, as it would bring about this world's own version of the Anglo-French Empire.
Good point. The marriage of Mary Tudor to Louis XII followed by Mary of Scotland Wedding their son would be the best way to bring that about.

Having a plot like that bring on a desperate Habsburg response, somewhat aided by out timers dropping hints on weapons tech, could make a good swashers game too.
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Old 09-22-2017, 01:49 PM   #2805
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Good point. The marriage of Mary Tudor to Louis XII followed by Mary of Scotland Wedding their son would be the best way to bring that about.

Having a plot like that bring on a desperate Habsburg response, somewhat aided by out timers dropping hints on weapons tech, could make a good swashers game too.
It would also see some nasty internal resistance "How can a king of England grow up in France! Shocking!". Which just makes things more complicated.
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Old 09-22-2017, 04:39 PM   #2806
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It would also see some nasty internal resistance "How can a king of England grow up in France! Shocking!".
Clearly unthinkable. Why it hadn't happened since Mary's grandfather. That would be Edward IV - born in Rouen, spent the last few years of his youth in Calais after the Yorkists were temporarily run out of England in 1459-60.
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Old 09-22-2017, 06:40 PM   #2807
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It would also see some nasty internal resistance "How can a king of England grow up in France! Shocking!". Which just makes things more complicated.
Again a good point. Proto-nationalist feelings were strongest in England and France.
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Old 09-25-2017, 01:02 AM   #2808
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Again a good point. Proto-nationalist feelings were strongest in England and France.
Something Centrum would have a hard time coming to grips with. Centrum already hates nationalism, and certainly wouldn't expect it on a timeline as far back as this one (before The Treaty of Westphalia, which most IRL political theorists state as the beginning of the concept of the 'nation-state').



In the old, 1990s GURPS Time Travel, there was a list of some successful Centrum interventions, and one was Queen Mary of England executing her sister Elizabeth. There was also a reference to a Q7 former echo in the sixteenth century, Arachne, where Centrum deliberately revealed its presence in order to facilitate making the timeline a satrapy of Centrum.

If you put those two together, you would have a timeline kind of like this Queen Mary of Scotland & France one (albeit a different Queen Mary), but with open Centran dominance.
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Old 09-29-2017, 10:23 AM   #2809
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Try this idea, a few centuries ago in the Hellenistic East a new Philosopher showed up. He started as a teacher of mathematics, introducing what he called Hindu numbers, and several new ways to solve hard problems. He quickly started to teacher engineering as well.

Once he became famous he started to teach Natural Philosophy and introduced paper (which he said he learned to make in the silk lands), a press that copied books, and lenses that allowed people to see great distanced or very tiny things. Once he set up paper mills and a print shop he began to copy vast numbers of books. Alexandria grew jealous so he offered to teach them the skills as well.

A few years later he returned from a journey with insect eggs. He showed the mulberry bushes he'd been growing and explained were silk came from.

It is now 1675 years since the founding of Rome (or 923AD) the world is dominated by powerful dictatorships that tend to be roughly capitalist. Slavery is legal, and no one would dream of outlawing it. The Tech Level is around 5/6 but poorly distributed. Most poor people live as if the TL was two or three.

Centrum wants this TL5 world, Homeline wants to keep them from it. The Cabal favors Homeline winning the fight as they see this world as a great place but to recruit from and to set up power bases on.

Yes another Rome. Fairly dark and rather straight forward. That makes it simply gameable. Also figuring out the mysterious Philosopher and were he came from is a good mystery hook.
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Try this idea, a few centuries ago in the Hellenistic East a new Philosopher showed up. He started as a teacher of mathematics, introducing what he called Hindu numbers, and several new ways to solve hard problems.
When is the divergence point on this supposed to be? The "secret" of silk production is known in the Byzantine empire by around 550 AD, though held as an Imperial monopoly. Hindu numbers are invented sometime after 625. Lenses are classical Greek (there's a reference to a burning glass in Aristophanes' The Clouds, and not in a way that suggests the audience wouldn't understand it). The difficulty there is mostly one of manufacture - the big challenge is clear glass, there isn't much natural sand that doesn't have at least iron in it.
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