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Old 09-16-2017, 01:55 PM   #11
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Default Re: Is it ever possible to retreat 2 yards?

But you can't buy step separately from move.
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Old 09-16-2017, 02:18 PM   #12
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But you can't buy step separately from move.
As previously mentioned, there have been some attempts to write that up, notably by Kromm but by various other forum members.
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Old 09-16-2017, 03:09 PM   #13
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As previously mentioned, there have been some attempts to write that up, notably by Kromm but by various other forum members.
10 move (giving you +1 step, among other things) costs 50 points. Given Kromm's house rule above, I would probably allow Move (only to calculate step) -60%.

A couple of other examples:

Martial Arts has an optional perk of Trained by a Master - retreat multiple times, for a total of your entire move, each successive retreat reduces the bonus by 1. Any retreat more than 1 yard is -1 per extra yard.

The new DF Martial Arts has an ability that allows him to retreat an extra yard (I thought there was but I can't find it now).
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Old 09-16-2017, 05:02 PM   #14
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The new DF Martial Arts has an ability that allows him to retreat an extra yard (I thought there was but I can't find it now).
It's a Swashbuckler's trait, not Martial Artist's.
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Old 09-16-2017, 06:52 PM   #15
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Default Re: Is it ever possible to retreat 2 yards?

As another comparison,

A default character has Move 5. It takes two levels of Enhanced Move to get that default character's max ground move up to 20. However, Enhanced Move does NOT contribute to your extra step distance.
Other characters with higher Move will take less Enhanced move, but assuming characters in the "humanish adventurer" 5-7 range, the best deal you can get is 1.5 levels of Enhanced Move.

So lets go with that - 1.5 levels of Enhanced Move is 30 points. As per Power-Ups 4: Enhancements (and various other places), Cosmic, Retained Speed (+50%) is the enhancement that lets your Enhanced Move be used to calculate Step (along with several other things related to the weirdness of Enhanced Move).

+50% adds either 15 points or 20 points (depending on if you're going with a base Move of 5-6, or 7). With 20 points being closer to the "standard", which is where I'm more comfortable baselining things, that lines up with other attempts to price out an Extra Step.

This isn't a way to turn Enhanced Move 10 into A Bazillion Extra Steps, though - I wouldn't allow "Doesn't actually do anything except contribute to Step calculations, -100%" combined with that Cosmic on Enhanced Move, since Extra Step is so useful enough for linear pricing to be sensible.
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Old 09-17-2017, 12:31 AM   #16
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20 points seems fair, it's pretty useful.
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Old 09-17-2017, 12:57 AM   #17
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I have just found out that in p27 of DF denizens - swashbucklers theres a technique called Great Void that does exacly that.

It costs 10 points, and has combat reflexes, weapon master and basic move 7+ as requisites. But it gives you an extra yard of step when retreating, for all defenses.
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Old 09-17-2017, 07:05 AM   #18
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Martial Arts 92 under creating defensive tech iques "Special Benefits" says it is -2 to skill to retreat 2 steps instead of 1. It is "potent" class, like slipping forward as a retreat during a defense. Only considered cinematic if you can improve it.

You could pay for it using special drawbacks though. Falling down on an ordinary failure would probably make sense. As might requiring an additional success roll. Maybe vs DX or acrobatics or combat skill? Not sure if Running would make sense for stepping backward. Maybe if there was a Backward Running skill.
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Old 09-18-2017, 09:32 AM   #19
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It has been said a few times that a move of 20 gives a 2-yard step.

According to B368, all it requires is a move of 11. This might change some of the calculations under discussion.
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Old 09-18-2017, 01:03 PM   #20
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It has been said a few times that a move of 20 gives a 2-yard step.

According to B368, all it requires is a move of 11. This might change some of the calculations under discussion.
You're not wrong, but that was pointed out back in post #4.
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