Armor Table in Lite 4e

pst · 02-04-2006, 01:55 AM

Lite 4e has a short Armor Table (p.18) with full suits that as far as I have found is only published there. It seems like at least some of them are just shorthand for a set of armor from the normal armor tables in Characters -- maybe all?

Evidently "Cloth Armor" there is Cloth Armor + Cloth Sleeves + Leather Leggings + Cloth Cap + Cloth Gloves + Shoes. That gives the same cost, weight and DR. Similarly "Leather Armor" is Leather Armor + Heavy Leather Leggings + Heavy Leather Sleeves + Leather Helm + Leather Gloves + Boots.

But what about the later options? Are they all possible to divide in parts like this?

DanHoward · 02-04-2006, 02:42 PM

Just make up anything you want. Whatever you come up with will be just as realistic as the armour in 4e.

Flyndaran · 02-04-2006, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by DanHoward

Just make up anything you want. Whatever you come up with will be just as realistic as the armour in 4e.

I don't know. I can come up with some pretty silly combos. A one ounce breastplate of pure ********tium, and fifteen pound boots of cement.
Don't make me put my foot up in yo' a*s. You'll enter orbit... if I can lift my foot of the ground, that is.

Nah. You're right, it still doesn't quite match up to the oddity of 100 pound suits of plate. :)

pst · 02-07-2006, 03:46 PM

But if I don't really want to make up anything? If characters have bought armor
wholesale from the Lite table I thought they would be able to exchange parts later on from the full table.

DanHoward · 02-07-2006, 04:40 PM

The suit weights in Lite don't correspond to the sum of the parts in Basic. They aren't interchangeable. Use either Basic Set or Lite but not both together.

pst · 02-27-2006, 03:44 AM

Well, the very specific (non-rounded) costs and weights really seems to be sums of actual values, and I don't see why the person who made that table wouldn't have made it like that. Now I have done the math, and here is the answer to my question, I think:

Light Scale is
light scale armor, mail sleeves, mail leggings, pot-helm, gauntlets, boots.

Mail is
mail hauberk, mail sleeves, mail leggings, mail coif, gauntlets, boots

Steel Laminate is
steel laminate plate, mail sleeves, mail leggings, pot-helm, gauntlets, boots

Plate is
steel corselet, plate arms, plate legs, barrel helm, heavy gauntlets, sollerets

Costs and weights add up, and torso DR (and often other DR as well) is the same.

DanHoward · 02-27-2006, 04:54 PM

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Originally Posted by pst

Well, the very specific (non-rounded) costs and weights really seems to be sums of actual values, and I don't see why the person who made that table wouldn't have made it like that. Now I have done the math, and here is the answer to my question, I think:

Light Scale is
light scale armor, mail sleeves, mail leggings, pot-helm, gauntlets, boots.

Light scale should be light scale - i.e. light scale corselet, sleeves and leggings. Half of it shouldn't be mail. Same with Laminate (which should be "lamellar"). How can you mix different armour types when the DRs are different? Which figure do you use? The one for scale/laminate or the one for mail?

Cowboy · 02-27-2006, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by DanHoward

Light scale should be light scale - i.e. light scale corselet, sleeves and leggings. Half of it shouldn't be mail. Same with Laminate (which should be "lamellar"). How can you mix different armour types when the DRs are different? Which figure do you use? The one for scale/laminate or the one for mail?

The rounded average if you're not using hit locations would be my suggestion.

If you are using hit locations, use the one for the location hit.

Ze'Manel Cunha · 02-27-2006, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by DanHoward

Light scale should be light scale - i.e. light scale corselet, sleeves and leggings. Half of it shouldn't be mail. Same with Laminate (which should be "lamellar"). How can you mix different armour types when the DRs are different? Which figure do you use? The one for scale/laminate or the one for mail?

Come on Dan, stop picking on the guy, of course the armor weights are unrealistic, but there's nothing wrong with multiple armor types in different hit locations.

If you wanted less semi-realism average the DR by volume, if you want more semi-realism use a modified Unreliable roll to determine which type of armor you hit.

DanHoward · 02-27-2006, 05:35 PM

My point is if you add up, say, scale components from Basic and compare them to the scale set in Lite. They don't add up. I don't have a problem with this. Just recognise that the two are not compatible and keep them separate. If you want to mix and match then you have to use the individual components from Basic, not the complete set in Lite. Basic set also has the problem of missing some components, such as light scale sleeves and leggings.

02-04-2006, 01:55 AM	#1
pst Join Date: Jan 2006	Armor Table in Lite 4e Lite 4e has a short Armor Table (p.18) with full suits that as far as I have found is only published there. It seems like at least some of them are just shorthand for a set of armor from the normal armor tables in Characters -- maybe all? Evidently "Cloth Armor" there is Cloth Armor + Cloth Sleeves + Leather Leggings + Cloth Cap + Cloth Gloves + Shoes. That gives the same cost, weight and DR. Similarly "Leather Armor" is Leather Armor + Heavy Leather Leggings + Heavy Leather Sleeves + Leather Helm + Leather Gloves + Boots. But what about the later options? Are they all possible to divide in parts like this?

02-04-2006, 02:42 PM	#2
DanHoward Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Maitland, NSW, Australia	Re: Armor Table in Lite 4e Just make up anything you want. Whatever you come up with will be just as realistic as the armour in 4e.

02-07-2006, 03:46 PM	#4
pst Join Date: Jan 2006	Re: Armor Table in Lite 4e But if I don't really want to make up anything? If characters have bought armor wholesale from the Lite table I thought they would be able to exchange parts later on from the full table.

02-07-2006, 04:40 PM	#5
DanHoward Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Maitland, NSW, Australia	Re: Armor Table in Lite 4e The suit weights in Lite don't correspond to the sum of the parts in Basic. They aren't interchangeable. Use either Basic Set or Lite but not both together.

02-27-2006, 03:44 AM	#6
pst Join Date: Jan 2006	Re: Armor Table in Lite 4e Well, the very specific (non-rounded) costs and weights really seems to be sums of actual values, and I don't see why the person who made that table wouldn't have made it like that. Now I have done the math, and here is the answer to my question, I think: Light Scale is light scale armor, mail sleeves, mail leggings, pot-helm, gauntlets, boots. Mail is mail hauberk, mail sleeves, mail leggings, mail coif, gauntlets, boots Steel Laminate is steel laminate plate, mail sleeves, mail leggings, pot-helm, gauntlets, boots Plate is steel corselet, plate arms, plate legs, barrel helm, heavy gauntlets, sollerets Costs and weights add up, and torso DR (and often other DR as well) is the same.

02-27-2006, 05:35 PM	#10
DanHoward Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Maitland, NSW, Australia	Re: Armor Table in Lite 4e My point is if you add up, say, scale components from Basic and compare them to the scale set in Lite. They don't add up. I don't have a problem with this. Just recognise that the two are not compatible and keep them separate. If you want to mix and match then you have to use the individual components from Basic, not the complete set in Lite. Basic set also has the problem of missing some components, such as light scale sleeves and leggings.