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Old 05-25-2016, 03:58 AM   #1
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This would be extremely unlikely... but if a bullet were to hit the barrel of a weapon and penetrate its DR (whether the weapon be a rifle or a tank gun) would it possibly cause a stoppage? Has that ever happened?

And I'd definitely be curious if that misfortune has ever happened with HE rounds! Yikes!
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Old 05-25-2016, 04:25 AM   #2
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It's entirely possible for rounds to stick in a damaged barrel - although it's at least as likely that they will burst the bore instead. I've no personal experience of it, but I've been warned of it as a hazard in the case of a bent rifle barrel - realistically a barrel hit from an equivalent weapon is likely to do something that puts the weapon beyond safe use.

IIRC there's a scene in Tali-Ihantala 1944 where one of the Finnish StuGs suffers gun damage, tries to fire and bursts its bore, but I have no idea how realistic that is...
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Old 05-25-2016, 05:43 AM   #3
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Last year, someone's rifle exploded at the range in Harskamp.

The cause was a piece of cleaning cloth still inside the barrel. The shooter got wounded and some other shooters lying left and right of him got very lightly wounded.

The result was that private gun owners were banned from the shooting range (and we have only two outdoor shooting ranges in the Netherlands).

The Germans experimented with bent barrels successfully. The bullet doesn't get stuck inside of it (of course, the barrel is made this way).

I don't know what would happen if you target someones barrel. I think yopu need at least an armor penetrating bullet for the barrels are made of hardened steel. Maybe the owner of the targeted gun will notice he has to recallibrate his optics afterward.
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Old 05-25-2016, 11:42 AM   #4
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I have seen a Lee-Enfield rifle with a Mauser bullet jammed in the barrel.

This apparently occurred in trench fighting in WW1, a shot from a german soldier by fluke hit the muzzle of the British rifle at just the right angle to run up inside the barrel until it jammed.

I have also seen a sectioned Bren gun with three or four rounds wedged halfway up the barrel where the first hit an obstruction and the rest piled up behind it. At some point the barrel burst behind this blockage.

I have also seen artillery barrels that where holed in the side by aircraft cannon fire.

I suspect the majority of people who took hits to their gun would probably not be inclined to return fire with the damaged gun (probably plenty of less damaged ones lying around by that time).
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Old 05-27-2016, 12:24 AM   #5
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The majority of guns are designed to just tolerate the stress of firing their bullets, which is why corrosion and overheating is a worry. Softened or damage barrels tend to explode and, with large guns, they can kill people. I was raised in the South and, quite regularly, we would hear about people losing a finger or an eye because they tried out an antique firearm that had been in storage without checking to see if there was damage. A gun that had been damaged in battle would be even a worse risk and, as a GM, I would give a damaged gun a Malf of 10+, at best.
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Old 05-27-2016, 01:12 AM   #6
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I have seen a Lee-Enfield rifle with a Mauser bullet jammed in the barrel.

This apparently occurred in trench fighting in WW1, a shot from a german soldier by fluke hit the muzzle of the British rifle at just the right angle to run up inside the barrel until it jammed.

I have also seen a sectioned Bren gun with three or four rounds wedged halfway up the barrel where the first hit an obstruction and the rest piled up behind it. At some point the barrel burst behind this blockage.

I have also seen artillery barrels that where holed in the side by aircraft cannon fire.

I suspect the majority of people who took hits to their gun would probably not be inclined to return fire with the damaged gun (probably plenty of less damaged ones lying around by that time).
Links please, of possible! Those examples sound pretty neat!
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Old 05-27-2016, 04:27 AM   #7
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Links please, of possible! Those examples sound pretty neat!
Sorry, they were all military museums / research institutes / workshops respectively not found on the net. One of the advantages of working for the military is you get to look at stuff not available to the public.

The rifle with the enemy bullet in it may have been at the royal armouries though, it was a while ago.
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Old 05-27-2016, 09:11 AM   #8
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Links please, of possible! Those examples sound pretty neat!
It is discussed at www.vuurwapens.net (eye witnesses are member of that forum as are most of the Dutch shooters).
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Old 05-27-2016, 12:38 PM   #9
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http://www.outdoorhub.com/stories/20...ons-can-learn/

Here's a bunch of videos and stories of people who had squibs and crap happen. Things like guns exploding in user's hands and other situations.
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Old 05-28-2016, 07:52 AM   #10
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I learned to wait 30 seconds after a malfunction (for a delayed ignition). Then check the gun for obstruction in the chamber and barrel.

But I see many shooters going to quickly to a reload and fire again after only checking the chamber.

Safety first.
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