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Old 10-23-2012, 01:55 PM   #1
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And here's the Scenarios book PDF: http://www.sjgames.com/ogre/kickstar..._scenarios.pdf

Daniel will be visiting Austin next week, so the deadline for comments on the Scenarios book is noon Texas time on Monday the 29th. Please comment in this thread.

You've gotten us several good comments on the rules material already (and some corrections have already been made). Let's say the deadline for comments on the rulebook and reference sheet is 11:59pm Texas time on Thursday the 25th.

Thank you!
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Old 10-23-2012, 04:16 PM   #2
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On Page 2, the setup of "Super CP": The Ogres are listed as Mk. III and Mk. V.
On Page 5, the setup of "Recon in Force" Ogre scenario: The Ogre is listed as Mk. III

As mentioned in the Rules thread, there should be consistency in nomenclature (ie, most references to Ogres are "Mark <something>", not Mk. <something>).
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Old 10-23-2012, 05:00 PM   #3
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Funny little thing I noticed:

On the picture of the infantryman on page 3, the power armor is blue, implying (if we take the game pieces as our primary reference, which I suspect any new players not already deeply immersed in the Ogre universe will) that he's a PanEuro soldier. But the caption casts the picture as a Combine propaganda poster, and strongly implies that the soldier is Combine. Which is a little confusing.

Of course you could interpret the poster as meaning "Sign up to defend us from this guy", but the picture (based on one of the Kickstarter donors?) seems a little too complimentary for that.

I don't see a faction logo anywhere on him, so it should be easy enough to change the caption so as not to implicitly contradict the playing pieces' color scheme.

Also, on page 8, I see the choice was made to retain the reference to "the irreplaceable Baywatch archives". :)

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Old 10-23-2012, 05:55 PM   #4
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In Breakthrough and Raid:

Having the "Special Rules" may be redundant, since all 13.0x rules are described in the Setup and Map Modifications.
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Old 10-23-2012, 06:23 PM   #5
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Victory Conditions in general...

The descriptions of the victory conditions and units are inconsistent from scenario to scenario. For example:

Raid describes Paneuro and Combine in the setup as blue counters and red counters, and the victory conditions reflect this, while Breakthrough generically describes only attacker and defender. Recon in Force is just "red" and "blue", and The Train is a mix.

The scenarios should probably have the attacker and defender descriptions and victory conditions made more uniform
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Old 10-23-2012, 06:37 PM   #6
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In Raid:

In the Ogre scenario, it states "The defender rolls twice per turn for reinforcements." for both the primary and the alternate defending force. Is there a better way to state this without repeating the sentence? Additionally, the second one has "twice" in italics, but the first one does not. I think it is a good thing that it is emphasized; so if both sentences stay, both should be in italics. If rewritten with only one sentence, maintain the italics.
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Old 10-23-2012, 08:37 PM   #7
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Creating New Scenarios:

All other sections' paragraph titles are Red Text ending with a period, but the paragraph titles in Creating New Scenarios end with a colon.
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In many of the scenarios, it is stated that units may evacuate or escape "from" specified map sides. Maybe it's just me, but I would prefer the word "via" or "by way of" rather than "from." To me, "from" indicates an arrival rather than an exit. Also, although it's equally minor, the wording for the Escape paragraph is inconsistent among the various scenarios. In some, units may escape from a hex edge, in some a map edge, and in some "to" a specific direction.

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In many of the scenarios, it is stated that units may evacuate or escape "from" specified map sides. Maybe it's just me, but I would prefer the word "via" or "by way of" rather than "from." To me, "from" indicates an arrival rather than an exit. Also, although it's equally minor, the wording for the Escape paragraph is inconsistent among the various scenarios. In some, units may escape from a hex edge, in some a map edge, and in some "to" a specific direction.

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Yes, "from" appears to be intended to be "from the map."

As I was noticing the similar odd wording for units and victory conditions, it occurred to me that this probably exists because the various scenarios come from disparate sources, where different writing styles prevailed throughout the years. Some are from G.E.V., some are from Shockwave, etc.

There just needs to be a general cleanup/unification/whatever of the wording for similar topics.
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Old 10-26-2012, 02:37 PM   #10
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I suggest changing all "strength points of infantry" (and one "points of infantry") to "infantry squads" and update (simplify) 3.02 in the rulebook. The substitution looks safe, and the rules for marines don't mention strength points at all. I'll look at that impact later today.
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